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Reply #30 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:44pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
trump has such powers of persuasion he could sell a bacon sandwich to the ayatollah.


Yet, he can't sell steaks, vodka, gambling, mortgages, holidays, board games, ice, mattresses, vitamins, urine test kits, magazines, or cologne to Americans.

Thoughts?
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Reply #31 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:52pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:27pm:
Naughty naughty, old boy. You selectively edited, you silly old thing.

Biden's Chi-na tariffs are part of a far wider economic plan, linked with key legislation to secure microprocessors, roll out high speed broadband, lead the way on renewables and create jobs in the process.

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With support from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, CHIPS and Science Act, and Inflation Reduction Act, these investments are creating new American jobs in manufacturing and clean energy and helping communities that have been left behind make a comeback.


Your DL doesn't just want to tariff Chi-na, he wants to tariff Everybody. He sells tariffs, the "most beautiful word in the dictionary", as a revenue raising measure. He's even floated the idea of replacing income taxes with them.

Biden's tariffs are directed at Chi-na as an economic/security measure. They're one component of an infrastructure/chips plan to make the US self sufficient in high tech manufacturing. They're linked to actual government investment in these areas and they've brought manufacturing back to the US - the exact opposite of your DL's failed first term in office, which saw the biggest manufacturing trade deficit to China in years.

Your DL was forced to import the face masks he never wore and the hand sanitizer he wanted to inject lungs with. Biden learned from your DL's failures: the US needs to become self sufficient in key manufacturing areas as a national security measure.

Your DL wants to use tariffs, a direct quote, to "tax Chi-na", along with everybody else.

Look, if your cult leader doesn't even understand how tariffs work, how is he possibly going to secure the kind of critical infrastructure he requires to make America great?

Biden's been spending the past four years getting 5G processors manufactured onshore. The aim is to build the infrastructure required for the next technological shift, AI, and prevent this technology being controlled by Beijing, which is already a decade ahead of the US in this area.

While your DL's been shrieking about Chi-na emptying out it's prisons, mental hospitals and mental asylums (which he thinks are far worse), Sleepy Joe's been quietly getting bills passed and rolling out the transition to smart, renewable technology.

This was definitely a missed opportunity for Karmala in the last election - to explain this transition, to make it a central part of her campaign. The contrast between the two visions - and the stakes for the global economy - could not be starker.

Your DL wants a return to a fossil fuel economy and the golden age of trade wars - without having the first idea about how they work. He thinks the US government can control the flow of US oil. He thinks tariffs are a tax on foreign countries, so that's he. But do you know?

Your cult-like devotion to such a vision explains everything we need to know about you.

You?

Yes, you naughty old thing, you.



Silly waffle and piggy tapdancing on ice.


Does Biden understand tariffs? Does he think tariffs on China are a tax on a foreign country?

FACT SHEET: President Biden Takes Action to Protect American Workers and Businesses from China’s Unfair Trade Practices

President Biden’s economic plan is supporting investments and creating good jobs in key sectors that are vital for America’s economic future and national security. China’s unfair trade practices concerning technology transfer, intellectual property, and innovation are threatening American businesses and workers. China is also flooding global markets with artificially low-priced exports. In response to China’s unfair trade practices and to counteract the resulting harms, today, President Biden is directing his Trade Representative to increase tariffs under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 on $18 billion of imports from China to protect American workers and businesses.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-she...


Silly old Biden, he doesn't understand tariffs.  Your cult-like devotion to such a Biden vision explains everything we need to know about you.



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Reply #32 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:02pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:44pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
trump has such powers of persuasion he could sell a bacon sandwich to the ayatollah.


Yet, he can't sell steaks, vodka, gambling, mortgages, holidays, board games, ice, mattresses, vitamins, urine test kits, magazines, or cologne to Americans.

Thoughts?




Never mind the bollocks, here's Trump victory.




The Dow Jones Industrial Average soared to a record high, closing up more than 1,500 points on Wednesday after Trump won the presidential election over Vice President Kamala Harris.

Meanwhile, the Nasdaq and S&P 500 each rose by more than 2% on Wednesday to also hit new highs.
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Reply #33 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:44pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
trump has such powers of persuasion he could sell a bacon sandwich to the ayatollah.


Yet, he can't sell steaks, vodka, gambling, mortgages, holidays, board games, ice, mattresses, vitamins, urine test kits, magazines, or cologne to Americans.

Thoughts?




Never mind the bollocks,  ...




Not bollocks.  Facts.

The rapist couldn't sell steaks, vodka, gambling, mortgages, holidays, board games, ice, mattresses, vitamins, urine test kits, magazines, or cologne to Americans.

Yet scooter says: "trump has such powers of persuasion he could sell a bacon sandwich to the ayatollah."

Something doesn't add up, old boy.

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Reply #34 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
The Dow Jones Industrial Average soared to a record high, closing up more than 1,500 points on Wednesday ...


Ah.

And who was POTUS on Wednesday?

I'm curious.
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Reply #35 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
The Dow Jones Industrial Average soared to a record high, closing up more than 1,500 points on Wednesday ...


Ah.

And who was POTUS on Wednesday?

I'm curious.


Don't delete the pertinent bit:

...after Trump won the presidential election over Vice President Kamala Harris.



You are a dishonest, lying, contemptible little shhit, contemptible little lying shhit.

Creep.

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Reply #36 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 12:52am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:51pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:48pm:
Exactly!

Trumpy is going to see huge inflation. Lucky Americans!


If he imposes the tariffs, inflation will skyrocket.

And, the rapist will blame it all on the Biden administration and his cult members will believe him.

You just wait and see.




i think that if inflation does go up, he would be wise to blame biden.
same goes for the border
trump has such powers of persuasion he could sell a bacon sandwich to the ayatollah.
and the game of politics is all about persuasion and selling
and about being able to grab the microphone and riff
he was born to be president.

mere sardines like gweg and karmal can only look on in awe  Grin Grin



Or he could blame Elon.

That could work, no? Elon made him so tariffs! How very dare he!

That way, he gets rid of Elon who by the time he's sworn in will be getting right up his nose.

Dark MAGA. What a load of krap.

Whoever heard of a goth futurist?
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Reply #37 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 12:56am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:52pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:27pm:
Naughty naughty, old boy. You selectively edited, you silly old thing.

Biden's Chi-na tariffs are part of a far wider economic plan, linked with key legislation to secure microprocessors, roll out high speed broadband, lead the way on renewables and create jobs in the process.

Quote:
With support from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, CHIPS and Science Act, and Inflation Reduction Act, these investments are creating new American jobs in manufacturing and clean energy and helping communities that have been left behind make a comeback.


Your DL doesn't just want to tariff Chi-na, he wants to tariff Everybody. He sells tariffs, the "most beautiful word in the dictionary", as a revenue raising measure. He's even floated the idea of replacing income taxes with them.

Biden's tariffs are directed at Chi-na as an economic/security measure. They're one component of an infrastructure/chips plan to make the US self sufficient in high tech manufacturing. They're linked to actual government investment in these areas and they've brought manufacturing back to the US - the exact opposite of your DL's failed first term in office, which saw the biggest manufacturing trade deficit to China in years.

Your DL was forced to import the face masks he never wore and the hand sanitizer he wanted to inject lungs with. Biden learned from your DL's failures: the US needs to become self sufficient in key manufacturing areas as a national security measure.

Your DL wants to use tariffs, a direct quote, to "tax Chi-na", along with everybody else.

Look, if your cult leader doesn't even understand how tariffs work, how is he possibly going to secure the kind of critical infrastructure he requires to make America great?

Biden's been spending the past four years getting 5G processors manufactured onshore. The aim is to build the infrastructure required for the next technological shift, AI, and prevent this technology being controlled by Beijing, which is already a decade ahead of the US in this area.

While your DL's been shrieking about Chi-na emptying out it's prisons, mental hospitals and mental asylums (which he thinks are far worse), Sleepy Joe's been quietly getting bills passed and rolling out the transition to smart, renewable technology.

This was definitely a missed opportunity for Karmala in the last election - to explain this transition, to make it a central part of her campaign. The contrast between the two visions - and the stakes for the global economy - could not be starker.

Your DL wants a return to a fossil fuel economy and the golden age of trade wars - without having the first idea about how they work. He thinks the US government can control the flow of US oil. He thinks tariffs are a tax on foreign countries, so that's he. But do you know?

Your cult-like devotion to such a vision explains everything we need to know about you.

You?

Yes, you naughty old thing, you.



Silly waffle and piggy tapdancing on ice.


Does Biden understand tariffs? Does he think tariffs on China are a tax on a foreign country?

FACT SHEET: President Biden Takes Action to Protect American Workers and Businesses from China’s Unfair Trade Practices

President Biden’s economic plan is supporting investments and creating good jobs in key sectors that are vital for America’s economic future and national security. China’s unfair trade practices concerning technology transfer, intellectual property, and innovation are threatening American businesses and workers. China is also flooding global markets with artificially low-priced exports. In response to China’s unfair trade practices and to counteract the resulting harms, today, President Biden is directing his Trade Representative to increase tariffs under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 on $18 billion of imports from China to protect American workers and businesses.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-she...


Silly old Biden, he doesn't understand tariffs.  Your cult-like devotion to such a Biden vision explains everything we need to know about you.

"Oh! Look over there!! TRUMP!"


They're not sending in their best, dear boy. They're not sending you.

They're rapists, they bring in drugs and some, I assume, are good people.

Men of military age. Stone Cold killers.

You.
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Reply #38 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:36am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
The Dow Jones Industrial Average soared to a record high, closing up more than 1,500 points on Wednesday ...


Ah.

And who was POTUS on Wednesday?

I'm curious.


Don't delete the pertinent bit:

...after Trump won the presidential election over Vice President Kamala Harris.



You are a dishonest, lying, contemptible little shhit, contemptible little lying shhit.

Creep.



And who was POTUS on Wednesday?
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Reply #39 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:50am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:36am:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
The Dow Jones Industrial Average soared to a record high, closing up more than 1,500 points on Wednesday ...


Ah.

And who was POTUS on Wednesday?

I'm curious.


Don't delete the pertinent bit:

...after Trump won the presidential election over Vice President Kamala Harris.



You are a dishonest, lying, contemptible little shhit, contemptible little lying shhit.

Creep.



And who was POTUS on Wednesday?



Yeah, GOOD question!  Who indeed? Nobody knows.

It's been a mystery for a couple of years now.


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Reply #40 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:55am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:36am:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
The Dow Jones Industrial Average soared to a record high, closing up more than 1,500 points on Wednesday ...


Ah.

And who was POTUS on Wednesday?

I'm curious.


Don't delete the pertinent bit:

...after Trump won the presidential election over Vice President Kamala Harris.



You are a dishonest, lying, contemptible little shhit, contemptible little lying shhit.

Creep.



And who was POTUS on Wednesday?



Yeah, GOOD question!  Who indeed? Nobody knows.

It's been a mystery for a couple of years now.




Sure, nobody knows who's President when the good stuff is happening.

"The market returns under Biden are the second best in modern history going back to 1945, Stovall found. The only stronger performance was during the booming dotcom days under former President Bill Clinton during the 1990s."

But when bad stuff is happening, Biden is definitely POTUS - right?
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Reply #41 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 6:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:55am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:36am:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
The Dow Jones Industrial Average soared to a record high, closing up more than 1,500 points on Wednesday ...


Ah.

And who was POTUS on Wednesday?

I'm curious.


Don't delete the pertinent bit:

...after Trump won the presidential election over Vice President Kamala Harris.



You are a dishonest, lying, contemptible little shhit, contemptible little lying shhit.

Creep.



And who was POTUS on Wednesday?



Yeah, GOOD question!  Who indeed? Nobody knows.

It's been a mystery for a couple of years now.




Sure, nobody knows who's President when the good stuff is happening.

"The market returns under Biden are the second best in modern history going back to 1945, Stovall found. The only stronger performance was during the booming dotcom days under former President Bill Clinton during the 1990s."

But when bad stuff is happening, Biden is definitely POTUS - right?


Definitely. The numbers are IN. When the markets respond to DL's trade wars, we'll remember this post.

DL can't change numbers, nor can sycophantic cult followers like the old boy.

We're onto them.
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Reply #42 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:00pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:31pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:07pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:53am:
Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.




Pakman's ignorance is matched by his smugness - and the eager stupidity of those who lap up his nonsense.

If it was really as he says - American importers and consumers wear the cost of tariffs, not China - then it would have been also Chinese importers and consumers who paid the price for Chinese government impsed tariffs on Australian goods, with no discernible effect on Australia. Were the ChiComms so stupid as to deliberately hurt their own companies and consumers?
By Pakman's smug idiocy,  yes. Chinese tariffs on Australian goods were calculated to inflict pain on Chinese importers and Chinese consumers, leaving Australia unaffected.

The ChiComms oppose tariffs in their own goods because they want to protect American companies and consumers. And so they threaten to impose retaliatory  tariffs of their own to hurt their own companies and consumers.


You just don’t get it!


Nope.

And he never will.

They believe whatever Trump says, no matter what.

And in this case, Trump has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.



Careful Greggery or Frank will insult you.
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Reply #43 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 10:11pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:53am:
Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.




Sounds reasonable but not very accurate. The end user pays everything, every expense is passed on as a cost of doing business. China as an example doesn't pay the tariffs, it just sees orders reduced or even end because customers go somewhere else to buy the same or similar product for a better price. Tariffs effect the producer of goods by making them more expensive. The difference in a product using starvation wage workers is always cheaper than a company that pays a living wage. Tariffs can level the consumer cost in favor of the company that pays well for workers. There are no tariffs on domestically produced goods and for all you "save the earth" people" carbon emissions are far less when your products don't need to be transported from another continent. The boy seems to think consumers will just pay the new price and cry that mean old Trump is to blame. It can make domestically produced products profitable again as an added benefit.

You're just like the people who want property owners to pay higher taxes so they can have more government services but can't understand why their rent increased.

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