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Re: Trump and tariffs
Reply #45 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 8:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 5:34pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 3:31pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.

Pakman's ignorance is matched by his smugness - and the eager stupidity of those who lap up his nonsense.

If it was really as he says - American importers and consumers wear the cost of tariffs, not China - then it would have been also Chinese importers and consumers who paid the price for Chinese government impsed tariffs on Australian goods, with no discernible effect on Australia. Were the ChiComms so stupid as to deliberately hurt their own companies and consumers?
By Pakman's smug idiocy, yes. Chinese tariffs on Australian goods were calculated to inflict pain on Chinese importers and Chinese consumers, leaving Australia unaffected.

The ChiComms oppose tariffs in their own goods because they want to protect American companies and consumers. And so they threaten to impose retaliatory tariffs of their own to hurt their own companies and consumers.

You just don’t get it!

Nope.

And he never will.

They believe whatever Trump says, no matter what.

And in this case, Trump has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

Careful Greggery or Frank will insult you.

Ooh!

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Re: Trump and tariffs
Reply #46 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:10pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 10:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.

Sounds reasonable but not very accurate. The end user pays everything, every expense is passed on as a cost of doing business. China as an example doesn't pay the tariffs, it just sees orders reduced or even end because customers go somewhere else to buy the same or similar product for a better price. Tariffs effect the producer of goods by making them more expensive. The difference in a product using starvation wage workers is always cheaper than a company that pays a living wage. Tariffs can level the consumer cost in favor of the company that pays well for workers. There are no tariffs on domestically produced goods and for all you "save the earth" people" carbon emissions are far less when your products don't need to be transported from another continent. The boy seems to think consumers will just pay the new price and cry that mean old Trump is to blame. It can make domestically produced products profitable again as an added benefit.

You're just like the people who want property owners to pay higher taxes so they can have more government services but can't understand why their rent increased.

I see. So who pays the tariffs, Mort?

That's a question.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41839	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #47 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:31pm Donald Trump threatens BRICS nations with 100pc tariffs if they seek to dethrone US dollar
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46211 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #48 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:33pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:31pm: Donald Trump threatens BRICS nations with 100pc tariffs if they seek to dethrone US dollar Look! LOOK! He can post ABC headlines! You got jaw lock, cockwomble?
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Reply #50 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 8:53pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:10pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 10:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.

Sounds reasonable but not very accurate. The end user pays everything, every expense is passed on as a cost of doing business. China as an example doesn't pay the tariffs, it just sees orders reduced or even end because customers go somewhere else to buy the same or similar product for a better price. Tariffs effect the producer of goods by making them more expensive. The difference in a product using starvation wage workers is always cheaper than a company that pays a living wage. Tariffs can level the consumer cost in favor of the company that pays well for workers. There are no tariffs on domestically produced goods and for all you "save the earth" people" carbon emissions are far less when your products don't need to be transported from another continent. The boy seems to think consumers will just pay the new price and cry that mean old Trump is to blame. It can make domestically produced products profitable again as an added benefit.

You're just like the people who want property owners to pay higher taxes so they can have more government services but can't understand why their rent increased.

I see. So who pays the tariffs, Mort?

That's a question.

No one if a legal product starts to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends. Tariffs are tools to negotiate with, we need border control and the two Countries on our borders are not helping. All they have to do is control their side of the border, it isn't hard if they will just do it.

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Reply #51 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:49am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 8:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:10pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 10:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.

Sounds reasonable but not very accurate. The end user pays everything, every expense is passed on as a cost of doing business. China as an example doesn't pay the tariffs, it just sees orders reduced or even end because customers go somewhere else to buy the same or similar product for a better price. Tariffs effect the producer of goods by making them more expensive. The difference in a product using starvation wage workers is always cheaper than a company that pays a living wage. Tariffs can level the consumer cost in favor of the company that pays well for workers. There are no tariffs on domestically produced goods and for all you "save the earth" people" carbon emissions are far less when your products don't need to be transported from another continent. The boy seems to think consumers will just pay the new price and cry that mean old Trump is to blame. It can make domestically produced products profitable again as an added benefit.

You're just like the people who want property owners to pay higher taxes so they can have more government services but can't understand why their rent increased.

I see. So who pays the tariffs, Mort?

That's a question.

No one if a legal product starts to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends. Tariffs are tools to negotiate with, we need border control and the two Countries on our borders are not helping. All they have to do is control their side of the border, it isn't hard if they will just do it.

You heard it here first, leftards.

No one pays for tariffs. All those figures DL keeps spewing out - 25%, 100%, maybe more.

No one ends up paying - if legal products start to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?

Once all those foreign companies pack up, move to America, invest a few bil, build new manufacturing plants, employ millions of cheap workers and sell their lovely new products, next decade.

They'll need to import a few million workers to get it all going, of course, but by then, Mort and his DL will be long gone. We'll hear their chants from the grave.

SEND THEM BACK !!!

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Reply #52 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:13pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:49am:

You heard it here first, leftards.

No one pays for tariffs. All those figures DL keeps spewing out - 25%, 100%, maybe more.

No one ends up paying - if legal products start to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?

Once all those foreign companies pack up, move to America, invest a few bil, build new manufacturing plants, employ millions of cheap workers and sell their lovely new products, next decade.

They'll need to import a few million workers to get it all going, of course, but by then, Mort and his DL will be long gone. We'll hear their chants from the grave.

SEND THEM BACK !!!

That's enough idiotic grimacing.

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Re: Trump and tariffs
Reply #53 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:18pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:49am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 8:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:10pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 10:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.

Sounds reasonable but not very accurate. The end user pays everything, every expense is passed on as a cost of doing business. China as an example doesn't pay the tariffs, it just sees orders reduced or even end because customers go somewhere else to buy the same or similar product for a better price. Tariffs effect the producer of goods by making them more expensive. The difference in a product using starvation wage workers is always cheaper than a company that pays a living wage. Tariffs can level the consumer cost in favor of the company that pays well for workers. There are no tariffs on domestically produced goods and for all you "save the earth" people" carbon emissions are far less when your products don't need to be transported from another continent. The boy seems to think consumers will just pay the new price and cry that mean old Trump is to blame. It can make domestically produced products profitable again as an added benefit.

You're just like the people who want property owners to pay higher taxes so they can have more government services but can't understand why their rent increased.

I see. So who pays the tariffs, Mort?

That's a question.

No one if a legal product starts to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends. Tariffs are tools to negotiate with, we need border control and the two Countries on our borders are not helping. All they have to do is control their side of the border, it isn't hard if they will just do it.

You heard it here first, leftards.

No one pays for tariffs. All those figures DL keeps spewing out - 25%, 100%, maybe more.

No one ends up paying - if legal products start to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?

Once all those foreign companies pack up, move to America, invest a few bil, build new manufacturing plants, employ millions of cheap workers and sell their lovely new products, next decade.

They'll need to import a few million workers to get it all going, of course, but by then, Mort and his DL will be long gone. We'll hear their chants from the grave.

SEND THEM BACK !!!

clearly the fine citizens of the USA did not feel like they were winning under the rule of the leftie intellectuals and the washington elite

if the lefties didnt want to be chucked out of office , maybe they should have made sure that the 'winning' wasnt confined to the elites

they better have a rethink and admit they screwed up or remain in the wilderness yawning, ruining keyboards and posting silly snide comments Roll Eyes

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Reply #54 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:46pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:49am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 8:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:10pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 10:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.

Sounds reasonable but not very accurate. The end user pays everything, every expense is passed on as a cost of doing business. China as an example doesn't pay the tariffs, it just sees orders reduced or even end because customers go somewhere else to buy the same or similar product for a better price. Tariffs effect the producer of goods by making them more expensive. The difference in a product using starvation wage workers is always cheaper than a company that pays a living wage. Tariffs can level the consumer cost in favor of the company that pays well for workers. There are no tariffs on domestically produced goods and for all you "save the earth" people" carbon emissions are far less when your products don't need to be transported from another continent. The boy seems to think consumers will just pay the new price and cry that mean old Trump is to blame. It can make domestically produced products profitable again as an added benefit.

You're just like the people who want property owners to pay higher taxes so they can have more government services but can't understand why their rent increased.

I see. So who pays the tariffs, Mort?

That's a question.

No one if a legal product starts to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends. Tariffs are tools to negotiate with, we need border control and the two Countries on our borders are not helping. All they have to do is control their side of the border, it isn't hard if they will just do it.

You heard it here first, leftards.

No one pays for tariffs. All those figures DL keeps spewing out - 25%, 100%, maybe more.

No one ends up paying - if legal products start to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?

Once all those foreign companies pack up, move to America, invest a few bil, build new manufacturing plants, employ millions of cheap workers and sell their lovely new products, next decade.

They'll need to import a few million workers to get it all going, of course, but by then, Mort and his DL will be long gone. We'll hear their chants from the grave.

SEND THEM BACK !!!

They just don't get it.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137538 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #55 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:52pm Pakman has to explain to yet another dopey right-winger how tariffs work. Hilarious.
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Reply #56 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:52pm:

Pakman has to explain to yet another dopey right-winger how tariffs work.

Hilarious.

Pakman is a smug eejit like you, groggy. He reads and consumes Big Media and then regurgitated it.

Neither you nor Prattleman explained this:

In response to China’s unfair trade practices and to counteract the resulting harms, today, President Biden is directing his Trade Representative to increase tariffs under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 on $18 billion of imports from China to protect American workers and businesses.

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Reply #57 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 2:03pm

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:52pm:

Pakman has to explain to yet another dopey right-winger how tariffs work.

Hilarious.

Pakman ...

... knows how tariffs work. Yes.

Everything he said in the video was 100% correct.

The right-wing podcaster thought that China paid the tariffs Grin

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Reply #58 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 2:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:49am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 8:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:10pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 10:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.

Sounds reasonable but not very accurate. The end user pays everything, every expense is passed on as a cost of doing business. China as an example doesn't pay the tariffs, it just sees orders reduced or even end because customers go somewhere else to buy the same or similar product for a better price. Tariffs effect the producer of goods by making them more expensive. The difference in a product using starvation wage workers is always cheaper than a company that pays a living wage. Tariffs can level the consumer cost in favor of the company that pays well for workers. There are no tariffs on domestically produced goods and for all you "save the earth" people" carbon emissions are far less when your products don't need to be transported from another continent. The boy seems to think consumers will just pay the new price and cry that mean old Trump is to blame. It can make domestically produced products profitable again as an added benefit.

You're just like the people who want property owners to pay higher taxes so they can have more government services but can't understand why their rent increased.

I see. So who pays the tariffs, Mort?

That's a question.

No one if a legal product starts to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends. Tariffs are tools to negotiate with, we need border control and the two Countries on our borders are not helping. All they have to do is control their side of the border, it isn't hard if they will just do it.

You heard it here first, leftards.

No one pays for tariffs. All those figures DL keeps spewing out - 25%, 100%, maybe more.

No one ends up paying - if legal products start to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?

Once all those foreign companies pack up, move to America, invest a few bil, build new manufacturing plants, employ millions of cheap workers and sell their lovely new products, next decade.

They'll need to import a few million workers to get it all going, of course, but by then, Mort and his DL will be long gone. We'll hear their chants from the grave.

SEND THEM BACK !!!

They just don't get it.

we get who won the election Grin

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Reply #59 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 2:28pm

tariffs do work. Yes there is pain in the beginning until manufacturing responds and then the next generation benefits from the tariffs. If America continues to allow China to dominate manufacturing domestic products then China will have a stranglehold on the American economy.

Who pays the tariff is the importer and the tariff goes to the government who then use that money to reduce costs in other areas of the economy.

China will end up owning America if the democrats were left to govern, Biden and co would be very wealthy but the average person would be decimated and dependent on China.

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