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Reply #60 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:42pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 2:28pm:
tariffs do work.


Yes.

Nobody has said they don't.

They work when they are strategically targeted.

However, the rapist's plan for a blanket tariff will not work.

Unless, of course, his goal is driving up inflation and making the average American poorer.

In that case, it'll work.
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Reply #61 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:07pm
 
The blanket ban is the starting point, through negotiation this will change. People are more concerned about rising mortgages, energy and food costs and no one is complaining about the price of iphones or sneekers.

The tariffs raised will help to lower prices on energy, fuel and groceries.

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Reply #62 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:09pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 2:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 12:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 12:49am:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:53pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 11:10pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 10:11pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:53am:
Watch this video clip. It involves a very good, very easy to understand, explanation regarding how tariffs work and why the country enacting the tariffs (in this case, the US) will see their consumers pay more and cause inflation to rise. Just watch it - it's very good. Just goes to show how Trump shapes his messages to make it look like he's going to hurt another country when the opposite is actually true, but his supporters don't question this or understand the issue - in this case, how tariffs actually work.




Sounds reasonable but not very accurate. The end user pays everything, every expense is passed on as a cost of doing business. China as an example doesn't pay the tariffs, it just sees orders reduced or even end because customers go somewhere else to buy the same or similar product for a better price. Tariffs effect the producer of goods by making them more expensive. The difference in a product using starvation wage workers is always cheaper than a company that pays a living wage. Tariffs can level the consumer cost in favor of the company that pays well for workers. There are no tariffs on domestically produced goods and for all you "save the earth" people" carbon emissions are far less when your products don't need to be transported from another continent. The boy seems to think consumers will just pay the new price and cry that mean old Trump is to blame. It can make domestically produced products profitable again as an added benefit.

You're just like the people who want property owners to pay higher taxes so they can have more government services but can't understand why their rent increased.



I see. So who pays the tariffs, Mort?

That's a question.



No one if a legal product starts to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends. Tariffs are tools to negotiate with, we need border control and the two Countries on our borders are not helping. All they have to do is control their side of the border, it isn't hard if they will just do it.


You heard it here first, leftards.

No one pays for tariffs. All those figures DL keeps spewing out - 25%, 100%, maybe more.

No one ends up paying - if legal products start to be produced domestically or desire for that product ends.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?

Once all those foreign companies pack up, move to America, invest a few bil, build new manufacturing plants, employ millions of cheap workers and sell their lovely new products, next decade.

They'll need to import a few million workers to get it all going, of course, but by then, Mort and his DL will be long gone. We'll hear their chants from the grave.

SEND THEM BACK !!!


Grin

They just don't get it.



we get who won the election  Grin Grin


Do you now? Do you get how all your farming and mining friends will now lose valuable contracts in Chi-na, due to your DL's tariffs?

Winners are grinners, no?
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Reply #63 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:14pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:07pm:
The blanket ban is the starting point, through negotiation this will change. People are more concerned about rising mortgages, energy and food costs and no one is complaining about the price of iphones or sneekers.

The tariffs raised will help to lower prices on energy, fuel and groceries.



Respondents in a recent survey overwhelmingly feel that Apple's phones are overpriced, yet two out of five would go into credit card debt to get the iPhone 16.

Will the tariffs imposed on China:

a) make iPhones cheaper, or

b) make iPhones more expensive?


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Reply #64 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:20pm
 


Who cares you can buy an android for less than half the price.

If you are worried about the price of iphones nothing is going to make you happy, you will constantly be chasing your tail to have the latest anything.
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Reply #65 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:14pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:07pm:
The blanket ban is the starting point, through negotiation this will change. People are more concerned about rising mortgages, energy and food costs and no one is complaining about the price of iphones or sneekers.

The tariffs raised will help to lower prices on energy, fuel and groceries.



Respondents in a recent survey overwhelmingly feel that Apple's phones are overpriced, yet two out of five would go into credit card debt to get the iPhone 16.

Will the tariffs imposed on China:

a) make iPhones cheaper, or

b) make iPhones more expensive?




That's a tough one, Greggery. Would you like Leroy to factor in the cost of importing millions of cheap labourers to work round the clock for less than the minimum wage?
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Reply #66 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:29pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:20pm:
Who cares you can buy an android for less than half the price.



Most android phones are made in China.

Will the blanket tariffs imposed on China:

a) make android phones cheaper, or

b) make android phones more expensive?

For those playing at home, the answer is b) the tariffs will make android phones more expensive.

Will this make the average MAGA cultist:

a) happy that they voted for Trump, or

b) unhappy that they voted for Trump?

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Reply #67 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:37pm
 
The price of mobile phones is of little concern to most Americans, heating their house and putting food on the table is more urgent. Trumps plan is not about cheap phones.

reducing mortgages and consolidating the prices of groceries is far more important.

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Reply #68 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:48pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:37pm:
The price of mobile phones is of little concern to most Americans, heating their house and putting food on the table is more urgent. Trumps plan is not about cheap phones.

reducing mortgages and consolidating the prices of groceries is far more important.



His blanket tariffs idea will send inflation through the roof.

Not only will every American be paying more for their smartphones, they'll also pay more for their groceries.

Approximately 310 million Americans use smartphones, and about 335 million of them need groceries to survive.

Although it remains to be seen what he does as president, ahead of the Nov. 5 election Trump proposed a 10% tariff on all U.S. imports, as well as a 60% tariff on products from China. Manufacturers and retailers typically pass on at least some of those costs to customers.

As a result, hefty new tariffs could cause prices for a range of consumer goods, from everyday items such as groceries to less frequent purchases like furniture, to rise, according to the analysis from Third Way. Trump's tariffs could cause a typical family's annual grocery budget in 2025 to swell by almost $200 next year, which would amount to an increase of more than 3%, according to Third Way.
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Reply #69 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:08pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 2:03pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:52pm:
Pakman has to explain to yet another dopey right-winger how tariffs work.

Hilarious.


Pakman ...


... knows how tariffs work.  Yes.

Everything he said in the video was 100% correct.

The right-wing podcaster thought that China paid the tariffs   Grin



China - all exporters to the US - will pay for the tariffs through loss of sales.

Prattleman's stupid schtik is about paying directly to the US government. But that is not the point of tariffs on hostile / unfair competitors.

Look at the reasons for Biden introducing tariffs. Prattleman doesn't talk about that, nor you. He doesnt say that Biden doesnt know what he is talking about or that Biden doesnt get it. Nor do you say it, creep. Why is that?

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Reply #70 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 10:06pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 2:03pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:52pm:
Pakman has to explain to yet another dopey right-winger how tariffs work.

Hilarious.


Pakman ...


... knows how tariffs work.  Yes.

Everything he said in the video was 100% correct.

The right-wing podcaster thought that China paid the tariffs   Grin



China - all exporters to the US - will pay for the tariffs through loss of sales.

Prattleman's stupid schtik is about paying directly to the US government. But that is not the point of tariffs on hostile / unfair competitors.

Look at the reasons for Biden introducing tariffs. Prattleman doesn't talk about that, nor you. He doesnt say that Biden doesnt know what he is talking about or that Biden doesnt get it. Nor do you say it, creep. Why is that?



No, that's not what your cult leader said, dear boy. Don't play games.

He said Chi-na would foot the bill for the tariffs, paying the taxes directly to the US government.

He said the same about foreign countries and NATO, suggesting they pay NATO a "bill", rather than investing a percentage of their GDP in their militaries.

And yes, he said the same about Mexico, who were supposed to pay for his big, beautiful wall - all 28 new km of which he constructed.

So, is your DL stupid - or mendacious?

And how about you?
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Reply #71 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 10:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:29pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:20pm:
Who cares you can buy an android for less than half the price.



Most android phones are made in China.

Will the blanket tariffs imposed on China:

a) make android phones cheaper, or

b) make android phones more expensive?

For those playing at home, the answer is b) the tariffs will make android phones more expensive.

Will this make the average MAGA cultist:

a) happy that they voted for Trump, or

b) unhappy that they voted for Trump?



I don't think the price of phones bothers anyone except maybe you? No, what do you say.
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Reply #72 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 11:04pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 10:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:29pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:20pm:
Who cares you can buy an android for less than half the price.



Most android phones are made in China.

Will the blanket tariffs imposed on China:

a) make android phones cheaper, or

b) make android phones more expensive?

For those playing at home, the answer is b) the tariffs will make android phones more expensive.

Will this make the average MAGA cultist:

a) happy that they voted for Trump, or

b) unhappy that they voted for Trump?



I don't think the price of phones bothers anyone except maybe you? No, what do you say.


Respondents in a recent survey overwhelmingly feel that Apple's phones are overpriced, yet two out of five would go into credit card debt to get the iPhone 16.
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Reply #73 - Dec 3rd, 2024 at 11:21pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 10:06pm:
No, that's not what your cult leader said, dear boy. Don't play games.

He said Chi-na would foot the bill for the tariffs, paying the taxes directly to the US government.


You are lying, badly.
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Reply #74 - Dec 4th, 2024 at 9:40am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 11:21pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 10:06pm:
No, that's not what your cult leader said, dear boy. Don't play games.

He said Chi-na would foot the bill for the tariffs, paying the taxes directly to the US government.


You are lying, badly.


What sort of evidence would you need to see to change your mind?

Would a section of a rally where he's saying it will be the other countries that pay the tariffs, not the US people?

what about a tweet?
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