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Re: Trump and tariffs
Reply #75 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:46am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:40am:

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 11:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 10:06pm:

No, that's not what your cult leader said, dear boy. Don't play games.

He said Chi-na would foot the bill for the tariffs, paying the taxes directly to the US government.

You are lying, badly.

What sort of evidence would you need to see to change your mind?

Would a section of a rally where he's saying it will be the other countries that pay the tariffs, not the US people?

what about a tweet?

Where Trump says that the Chinese will pay 'taxes directly to the US government'.
It was highlighted already, did you not see it?

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Reply #76 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:48am

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 10:06pm:

He said Chi-na would foot the bill for the tariffs, paying the taxes directly to the US government.

Trump did say that, or something similar, at his rallies.

But I don't believe he will impose crippling tariffs that, of course, would hit US consumers directly. And I'm sure he's aware of that.

The tariffs rants were just that - the usual campaign bullshit all politicians indulge in.

Trump was counting on his base having little to no comprehension of what tariffs are - I think his hunch was right.

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Reply #77 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:50am

Frank wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:46am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:40am:

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 11:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 10:06pm:

No, that's not what your cult leader said, dear boy. Don't play games.

He said Chi-na would foot the bill for the tariffs, paying the taxes directly to the US government.

You are lying, badly.

What sort of evidence would you need to see to change your mind?

Would a section of a rally where he's saying it will be the other countries that pay the tariffs, not the US people?

what about a tweet?

Where Trump says that the Chinese will pay 'taxes directly to the US government'.
It was highlighted already, did you not see it?

So if Trump says he's putting a tax on another country, when talking about tariffs on China, is he lying?

Is he not saying they're going to pay taxes to the US government?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12501 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #79 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:57am Maybe the Democrats should have countered Trump's tariff bullshit in terms Trump's base would have understood. Like, say: Old Macdonald had a farm EiEiO. And on that farm were Chinese goods EIEIO. But with a tariff here and a tariff there, Here a tariff, there a tariff, everywhere a tariff... Old Macdonald lost his farm EIEIO.
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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 563 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #80 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:05am Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:48am: ... and Trumps' tariffs ill-conceived thought bubble will cost even more jobs and push inflation even higher. So your solution is buy everything from China and that will create jobs and push down inflation.
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Reply #81 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17am

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

... and Trumps' tariffs ill-conceived thought bubble will cost even more jobs and push inflation even higher.

So your solution is buy everything from China and that will create jobs and push down inflation.

No; Biden's solution: public funding (via tax credits) for the CHIPS and IRA bills passed by Congress, to enable US-based companies to compete with China.

Trump would b foolish to cancel THAT government spending.

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Reply #82 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:25am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

... and Trumps' tariffs ill-conceived thought bubble will cost even more jobs and push inflation even higher.

So your solution is buy everything from China and that will create jobs and push down inflation.

No; Biden's solution: public funding (via tax credits) for the CHIPS and IRA bills passed by Congress, to enable US-based companies to compete with China.

Trump would b foolish to cancel THAT government spending.

Jobs in manufacturing under Trump were steadily rising each year, after four years manufacturing jobs under Biden is below what they were when he took over from Trump.

Biden has a net loss of manufacturing jobs in his four years.

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Reply #83 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:05am

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:25am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

... and Trumps' tariffs ill-conceived thought bubble will cost even more jobs and push inflation even higher.

So your solution is buy everything from China and that will create jobs and push down inflation.

No; Biden's solution: public funding (via tax credits) for the CHIPS and IRA bills passed by Congress, to enable US-based companies to compete with China.

Trump would b foolish to cancel THAT government spending.

Jobs in manufacturing under Trump were steadily rising each year, after four years manufacturing jobs under Biden is below what they were when he took over from Trump.

Biden has a net loss of manufacturing jobs in his four years.

I was under the impression, after checking Biden's claim about creating 800,000 jobs, it’s more accurate to say 589k manufacturing jobs were recovered and 175k created.

So they're still in a net gain.

But I'd have to look at the numbers again to be sure. Did you have a link to the official figures by any chance, save me some leg work?

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Reply #84 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:14am

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:25am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

... and Trumps' tariffs ill-conceived thought bubble will cost even more jobs and push inflation even higher.

So your solution is buy everything from China and that will create jobs and push down inflation.

No; Biden's solution: public funding (via tax credits) for the CHIPS and IRA bills passed by Congress, to enable US-based companies to compete with China.

Trump would b foolish to cancel THAT government spending.

Jobs in manufacturing under Trump were steadily rising each year, after four years manufacturing jobs under Biden is below what they were when he took over from Trump.

Biden has a net loss of manufacturing jobs in his four years.

Since Biden and Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy, not simply recovering from, but exceeding the manufacturing jobs lost during the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy. The growth is expected to continue, with the Biden-Harris Inflation Reduction Act, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and CHIPS and Science Act estimated to create 336,000 manufacturing jobs a year until 2035.

In contrast, more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during former President Donald Trump’s single term. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic manufacturing job growth had all but plateaued under the Trump administration.

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Re: Trump and tariffs
Reply #85 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:15am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:05am:

I was under the impression, after checking Biden's claim about creating 800,000 jobs, it’s more accurate to say 589k manufacturing jobs were recovered and 175k created.

So they're still in a net gain.

But I'd have to look at the numbers again to be sure. Did you have a link to the official figures by any chance, save me some leg work?

I just did a quick check on stats and when Biden took office there were just over 15mil workers in manufacturing and at the moment there is about 14.9mil.

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Reply #86 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:17am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:25am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

... and Trumps' tariffs ill-conceived thought bubble will cost even more jobs and push inflation even higher.

So your solution is buy everything from China and that will create jobs and push down inflation.

No; Biden's solution: public funding (via tax credits) for the CHIPS and IRA bills passed by Congress, to enable US-based companies to compete with China.

Trump would b foolish to cancel THAT government spending.

Jobs in manufacturing under Trump were steadily rising each year, after four years manufacturing jobs under Biden is below what they were when he took over from Trump.

Biden has a net loss of manufacturing jobs in his four years.

Since Biden and Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy, not simply recovering from, but exceeding the manufacturing jobs lost during the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy. The growth is expected to continue, with the Biden-Harris Inflation Reduction Act, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and CHIPS and Science Act estimated to create 336,000 manufacturing jobs a year until 2035.

In contrast, more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during former President Donald Trump’s single term. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic manufacturing job growth had all but plateaued under the Trump administration.

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Re: Trump and tariffs
Reply #87 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:18am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:25am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

... and Trumps' tariffs ill-conceived thought bubble will cost even more jobs and push inflation even higher.

So your solution is buy everything from China and that will create jobs and push down inflation.

No; Biden's solution: public funding (via tax credits) for the CHIPS and IRA bills passed by Congress, to enable US-based companies to compete with China.

Trump would b foolish to cancel THAT government spending.

Jobs in manufacturing under Trump were steadily rising each year, after four years manufacturing jobs under Biden is below what they were when he took over from Trump.

Biden has a net loss of manufacturing jobs in his four years.

Since Biden and Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy, not simply recovering from, but exceeding the manufacturing jobs lost during the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy. The growth is expected to continue, with the Biden-Harris Inflation Reduction Act, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and CHIPS and Science Act estimated to create 336,000 manufacturing jobs a year until 2035.

In contrast, more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during former President Donald Trump’s single term. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic manufacturing job growth had all but plateaued under the Trump administration.

Federal data shows that manufacturing employment has increased by 789,000 since Biden took office in January 2021.

The first three-quarters of those jobs represent a return to previous manufacturing employment levels, but history shows that is rare.

The post-recession gains in manufacturing employment under Biden have been the strongest in 72 years, and the second strongest since World War II.

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Reply #88 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:23am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:25am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

... and Trumps' tariffs ill-conceived thought bubble will cost even more jobs and push inflation even higher.

So your solution is buy everything from China and that will create jobs and push down inflation.

No; Biden's solution: public funding (via tax credits) for the CHIPS and IRA bills passed by Congress, to enable US-based companies to compete with China.

Trump would b foolish to cancel THAT government spending.

Jobs in manufacturing under Trump were steadily rising each year, after four years manufacturing jobs under Biden is below what they were when he took over from Trump.

Biden has a net loss of manufacturing jobs in his four years.

Since Biden and Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy, not simply recovering from, but exceeding the manufacturing jobs lost during the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy. The growth is expected to continue, with the Biden-Harris Inflation Reduction Act, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and CHIPS and Science Act estimated to create 336,000 manufacturing jobs a year until 2035.

In contrast, more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during former President Donald Trump’s single term. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic manufacturing job growth had all but plateaued under the Trump administration.

Federal data shows that manufacturing employment has increased by 789,000 since Biden took office in January 2021.

The first three-quarters of those jobs represent a return to previous manufacturing employment levels, but history shows that is rare.

The post-recession gains in manufacturing employment under Biden have been the strongest in 72 years, and the second strongest since World War II.

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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 563 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #89 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:27am Its real easy, in 2019 there were 15062000 people working in manufacturing jobs, in 2o24 there are 14900000 people working in manufacturing jobs. You sound a bit like someone after being beaten by 200 runs in a cricket match saying we scored the most runs in the 32nd over.
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