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Re: The Deep State - Does it Exist?
Reply #45 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:09am

Frank wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 10:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:13pm:

But by labeling them collectively as 'deep state', you imply that is some sort of secret club where members plot to destroy there govt. That

does not

exist. Self serving arseholes exist, they exist in every facet of life, not just government.

'Deep state' is a direct translation from Turkish derin devlet, referring to covert military and civilian organisations created to preserve Ataturk's secular Turkey.

It has come to refer to covert groups that operate independently of a national government (democratic or not) to thwart or subvert that government’s will - not, in the US or Australian context, to collapse the state or overthrow the government.

These covert groups can be components of the public service, military, security agencies, religious groups, business corporations, ethnic or political separatists, &etc.

And you know this from? Wiki.

A deep state[1] is a type of government made up of potentially secret and unauthorized networks of power operating independently of a state's political leadership in pursuit of their own agenda and goals. In popular usage, the term carries overwhelmingly negative connotations and is often associated with conspiracy theories.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state

Aww Agatha - Frank after dark.

If it's true, it could be written on a toilet wall and be true...

As you'd know every schoolboy knows.

Agatha? Renamed to?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 12591 Gender:	Re: The Deep State - Does it Exist? Reply #46 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:11am Dnarever wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 11:08pm: Trump is the Deep State. It thrived in his first term and will get another nice kick along. Trump was the US head of state. Can he be HOS and aligned against himself?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48809 Gender:	Re: The Deep State - Does it Exist? Reply #47 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:49am The CIA are gays of the secret closet
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Re: The Deep State - Does it Exist?
Reply #48 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:42pm

While the use of the term 'deep state' is not used in Australia, usually instead informally referring to those hostile to a new administration as those 'not on board', a common strategy new administrations use is to make changes to the Federal/State's Machinery of Government (MOG) - to change the structure of the public service.

While the removal of departmental heads and senior executives can be effected immediately, MOG changes provide the opportunity to initiate departmental restructures to eliminate those at lower managerial ranks deemed 'not on board' with the new administration's policies.

Commonly this will ripple through the federal/state's public service for years, with one restructure following another.

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Re: The Deep State - Does it Exist?
Reply #49 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:42pm:

While the removal of departmental heads and senior executives can be effected immediately, MOG changes provide the opportunity to initiate departmental restructures to eliminate those at lower managerial ranks deemed 'not on board' with the new administration's policies.

Commonly this will ripple through the federal/state's public service for years, with one restructure following another.

Given Americans are permanently gripped by conspiracy mania, all American headlines referring to taking on the 'deep state' are hype for what every new administration in a democratic country calls a MOG change.

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Re: The Deep State - Does it Exist?
Reply #50 - Dec 6^th, 2024 at 10:46am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:42pm:

While the removal of departmental heads and senior executives can be effected immediately, MOG changes provide the opportunity to initiate departmental restructures to eliminate those at lower managerial ranks deemed 'not on board' with the new administration's policies.

Commonly this will ripple through the federal/state's public service for years, with one restructure following another.

Given Americans are permanently gripped by conspiracy mania, all American headlines referring to taking on the 'deep state' are hype for what every new administration in a democratic country calls a MOG change.

And wait until the HR and organisational change contract companies are hired.

A contract company's big-dollar bonanza!

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Re: The Deep State - Does it Exist?
Reply #51 - Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:25pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:13pm:

But by labeling them collectively as 'deep state', you imply that is some sort of secret club where members plot to destroy there govt. That

does not

exist. Self serving arseholes exist, they exist in every facet of life, not just government.

'Deep state' is a direct translation from Turkish derin devlet, referring to covert military and civilian organisations created to preserve Ataturk's secular Turkey.

It has come to refer to covert groups that operate independently of a national government (democratic or not) to thwart or subvert that government’s will - not, in the US or Australian context, to collapse the state or overthrow the government.

and therein lies my problem with it. In most cases, there are no 'groups', there are just self serving arseholes.

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