There are various interpretations of the term ‘deep state’ worldwide, but the common theme is that it refers to a covert group that operates independently of a national government (democratic or not) to thwart or subvert that government’s will.

These covert groups can be components of the public service, military, security agencies, religious groups, business corporations, ethnic or political separatists, &etc.

Famously, Eisenhower warned of it in the US with his industrial-military complex speech. Kennedy went to ‘war’ with the CIA, which he claimed was operating beyond the authority of the president and Congress. Johnson blamed the Civil Rights movement for undermining support for the Vietnam War. With Nixon, it was the counter-culture movement and anti-administration forces aligned against him. Reagan claimed military personnel were responsible for the Iran-Contra affair.

Trump, regarding his first administration, amazingly, and almost accidentally, blamed himself for ‘hiring the wrong people’ thus creating deep state ‘cabals’ operating - up to and including cabinet-level! Hence his current obsession and paranoia over his senior picks. 

Whatever, no nation anywhere can claim to be free of a deep state – they are, primarily, covert (so their existence is often unconfirmed, unproven, merely presumed, or exist only in the mind of the head of state/government).

Ultimately, though—given that no government has ever ruled with a mandate of 100% of the people (in democratic countries, they govern usually with not much more than 50% approval and often less)—at least some organised resistance to the government’s will is likely and ineradicable.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:11am:

Where the head of state/government operates within his/her constitutionally/legislatively defined parameters, they cannot be defined as a deep state operative... They literally act as/for the state.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:16am:



But unless the need is so urgent that they can't wait one day for a vote
then there should be a vote.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:23am:

If the FBI weren't legit, would anyone be in a US Federal prison?

Or would everyone in Federal Prison be innocent by definition?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:32am:



The FBI is one of the main actors in the Deep State of the USA.

Politics effects who is charged.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:37am:

And you know this, because....?

Corruption is ineradicable - there will always be those who will break the law/ subvert the state for money or power.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:41am:

We don't live in a perfect world nor are we governed by a perfect system.

There has never been a Utopian state - a word that literally translates to 'no place'.

Have your years alive not taught you that?

Another 'Like Nixon' point.

Given Trump has admitted that it was his lack of experience as a politician - claiming he'd only been to Washington not much more than a dozen times in his life before becoming president - his, (like Nixon's), second administration will likely be crippled by paranoia over deep state operations.

How long will it be before Trump's Administration starts committing crimes to disrupt or dismantle imaginary deep-state operations when things go tits up for him?