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Donny And Elon
Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

what will they do?

simple

1 they will run washington like they are the CEO and deputy of a large corporation. they will go through the various departments and see who is value for money and who is not

musk apparently spent 24 hours staright at X interviewing every employee down to the cleaners.
at the end he had sacked most of the people
thats a great business principle
if you arent adding value to a system over and above your wage, you need to go

2 trump will deal with foreign powers the way a business deals with other businesses.
no more dividing leaders into goodies and baddies
just, who can we cut a deal with that helps our position and who cant we cut a deal with

If trump can get oil out of iran delievered by somali pirates cheaper then he can get it from bass strait then thats what he will do
If you want to get on with trump, do a deal , try to make it a win/win

It will be the beginning of a new golden age for the USA if he can stick to this

And we must expect more countries to go down this path

Wars probably arent on the agenda.
If 2 other countries want to "go at it" trumps position will probably be "how can we exploit the chaos and cut deals with the people they are not serving"

MAGA is a business movement
Ideology is for pussies
Its time to hustle

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104762 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Donny And Elon Reply #1 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:51pm Hi Aqua, all those Deep State operatives with comfy jobs for life will be worrying now.
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Reply #2 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 2:01pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

And therein lies the problem.

Public servants are experts in government management, not making profit and forced to be accountable in ways that neither Trump nor Musk have ever had to do.

It's why Trump so easily falls prey to corruption - kickbacks that are normal in business are illegal within government.

It's noteworthy that Musk is not being given unilateral control of, whatever they imagine DOGE will be. Apparently, he's cohosting the fiasco with Vivek Ramaswamy.

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Reply #3 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 2:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 2:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

And therein lies the problem.

Public servants are experts in government management, not making profit and forced to be accountable in ways that neither Trump nor Musk have ever had to do.

It's why Trump so easily falls prey to corruption - kickbacks that are normal in business are illegal within government.

It's noteworthy that Musk is not being given unilateral control of, whatever they imagine DOGE will be. Apparently, he's cohosting the fiasco with Vivek Ramaswamy.

a super smart creative engineer and a super smart indian lawyer and successful entrepreneur in his own right

asking people to justify their jobs

there really is a god

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Reply #4 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:35pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 2:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

And therein lies the problem.

Public servants are experts in government management, not making profit and forced to be accountable in ways that neither Trump nor Musk have ever had to do.

It's why Trump so easily falls prey to corruption - kickbacks that are normal in business are illegal within government.

It's noteworthy that Musk is not being given unilateral control of, whatever they imagine DOGE will be. Apparently, he's cohosting the fiasco with Vivek Ramaswamy.

Kickbacks can also be illegal in private business.
Check out BAE systems.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/bae-systems-plc-pleads-guilty-and-ordered-pay-400...

BAE Systems PLC Pleads Guilty and Ordered to Pay $400 Million Criminal Fine.

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Reply #5 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 2:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 2:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

And therein lies the problem.

Public servants are experts in government management, not making profit and forced to be accountable in ways that neither Trump nor Musk have ever had to do.

It's why Trump so easily falls prey to corruption - kickbacks that are normal in business are illegal within government.

It's noteworthy that Musk is not being given unilateral control of, whatever they imagine DOGE will be. Apparently, he's cohosting the fiasco with Vivek Ramaswamy.

a super smart creative engineer and a super smart indian lawyer and successful entrepreneur in his own right

Yep! We all know how well that goes down in South Africa!

And nevermind that Ramaswamy wants to be a politician...

And nevermind the clash of egos...

When Musk pulls a kitchen sink stunt, and/or triggers a national strike with his autistic 'who gives a f~ck' attitude, watch Ramaswamy back off from the steaming pile of Musk.

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Reply #6 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:45pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

what will they do?

simple

1 they will run washington like they are the CEO and deputy of a large corporation. they will go through the various departments and see who is value for money and who is not

musk apparently spent 24 hours staright at X interviewing every employee down to the cleaners.
at the end he had sacked most of the people
thats a great business principle
if you arent adding value to a system over and above your wage, you need to go

2 trump will deal with foreign powers the way a business deals with other businesses.
no more dividing leaders into goodies and baddies
just, who can we cut a deal with that helps our position and who cant we cut a deal with

If trump can get oil out of iran delievered by somali pirates cheaper then he can get it from bass strait then thats what he will do
If you want to get on with trump, do a deal , try to make it a win/win

It will be the beginning of a new golden age for the USA if he can stick to this

And we must expect more countries to go down this path

Wars probably arent on the agenda.
If 2 other countries want to "go at it" trumps position will probably be "how can we exploit the chaos and cut deals with the people they are not serving"

MAGA is a business movement
Ideology is for pussies
Its time to hustle

Trump still thinks he's on Celebrity Apprentice.

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Scott Morrison DID wipe the floor with Bull Shitten!!!

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Reply #7 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:23pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 2:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

And therein lies the problem.

Public servants are experts in government management.

And therein lies the problem.

Every aspect of life becomes a matter of some sort of government management to keep that growing number of experts in government management occupied.

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137538 Gender:	Re: Donny And Elon Reply #8 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:59pm aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm: what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians what will they do? simple 1 they will run washington like they are the CEO and deputy of a large corporation. Huge mistake. However, it'll be fun to watch.
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Reply #9 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

what will they do?

simple

1 they will run washington like they are the CEO and deputy of a large corporation.

Huge mistake.

However, it'll be fun to watch.

Why is it a huge mistake?

Explain.

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Reply #10 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:03pm

Frank wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

what will they do?

simple

1 they will run washington like they are the CEO and deputy of a large corporation.

Huge mistake.

However, it'll be fun to watch.

Why is it a huge mistake?

Explain.

Take the time to read this: A Country Is Not a Company

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Reply #11 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:03pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

what will they do?

simple

1 they will run washington like they are the CEO and deputy of a large corporation.

Huge mistake.

However, it'll be fun to watch.

Why is it a huge mistake?

Explain.

Take the time to read this: A Country Is Not a Company

A Country Is Not a Company
by Paul Krugman

From the Magazine (January–February 1996)

In response the 'it's the economy, stupid' slogan and ethos championed by .. er.... Willy Clinton, prez.

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
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Reply #12 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:16pm

Frank wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:03pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:23pm:

what people need to understand is that these guys are businessmen, not politicians

what will they do?

simple

1 they will run washington like they are the CEO and deputy of a large corporation.

Huge mistake.

However, it'll be fun to watch.

Why is it a huge mistake?

Explain.

Take the time to read this: A Country Is Not a Company

A Country Is Not a Company
by Paul Krugman

From the Magazine (January–February 1996)

In response the 'it's the economy, stupid' slogan and ethos championed by .. er.... Willy Clinton, prez.

1996, 1856, or 2026 - a country is not a company.

Do yourself a favour and read the article.

You might actually learn something.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48285 Gender:	Re: Donny And Elon Reply #13 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:16pm Just looks like Internet Politics with Musk, Trump and co. Verses The tired old TV Media politics that we've all grown to hate.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137538 Gender:	Re: Donny And Elon Reply #14 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:28pm
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