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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46849 Gender:	Ukraine—joins NATO or develops nuclear weapons Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:37am It feels it needs one or the other.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11471 armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine—joins NATO or develops nuclear weapons Reply #1 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:49am Not the other. Russia possesses a total of 5,580 nuclear warheads as of 2024
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46849 Gender:	Re: Ukraine—joins NATO or develops nuclear weapons Reply #2 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:43am And some of them probably work.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11471 armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine—joins NATO or develops nuclear weapons Reply #3 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:23am Ukraine held about one-third of the Soviet nuclear arsenal, as well as significant means of its design and production. Made in Ukraine for Ukraine.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46849 Gender:	Re: Ukraine—joins NATO or develops nuclear weapons Reply #4 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:44am So it can make a nuke. Ingenious people the Ukrainians!
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11471 armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine—joins NATO or develops nuclear weapons Reply #5 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:20pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:43am: And some of them probably work. 'Here's one now' ka- thump 'Did it detonate?' 'Not sure. .. no.. a dud..' 'Oh good'
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Reply #6 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:38pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:37am:

It feels it needs one or the other.

"Question:

Veronika Romanenkova, TASS news agency.

Western media outlets report that some US and European politicians and officials are already suggesting giving nuclear weapons back to Kiev. How real is this scenario, in your opinion? Or is it some sort of escalation and fear-mongering? Yet if this happens, if nuclear weapons are given to the Kiev regime, how will Russia respond? Could preventive measures be taken? Does Ukraine’s non-nuclear status remain a precondition for settling the conflict?

Vladimir Putin:

Being a sane person, what do you think we are going to do if the country we are fighting with becomes a nuclear power? In this case we will use all – and I want to stress it – all weapons Russia has, all of them. We will not let this happen. This is the first point.

Secondly, such statements can only be made by irresponsible individuals who are not accountable for anything and do not feel any burden of responsiblity for the destiny of their countries and the entire world.

And thirdly, if someone transfers something officially, that will constitute a violation of all assumed commitments regarding non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

And we will not let this happen in Ukraine itself, we will be watching every step being taken there. It used to be a very high-tech and industrially developed republic of the Soviet Union. However, everything or nearly everything Soviet Ukraine could take pride in has been lost. Thus it will be next to impossible to do it from scratch. What could be done is something dirty, a dirty bomb by scrambling up nuclear power plants’ waste. But even in this case the response will be absolutely adequate to the threats to the Russian Federation."
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/75689

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Reply #7 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:33pm

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:38pm:

Vladimir Putin:
'Being a sane person, what do you think we are going to do if the country we are fighting with becomes a nuclear power? In this case we will use all – and I want to stress it – all weapons Russia has, all of them.'

Putin has been granted the Supreme Russian Medal of Sanity. Hospitals offer classes on Putin's mindset as the best pathway to mental health, correct radiation levels and long life.

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Reply #8 - Dec 5^th, 2024 at 10:10am

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:38pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:37am:

It feels it needs one or the other.

"Question:

Veronika Romanenkova, TASS news agency.

Western media outlets report that some US and European politicians and officials are already suggesting giving nuclear weapons back to Kiev. How real is this scenario, in your opinion? Or is it some sort of escalation and fear-mongering? Yet if this happens, if nuclear weapons are given to the Kiev regime, how will Russia respond? Could preventive measures be taken? Does Ukraine’s non-nuclear status remain a precondition for settling the conflict?

Vladimir Putin:

Being a sane person, what do you think we are going to do if the country we are fighting with becomes a nuclear power? In this case we will use all – and I want to stress it – all weapons Russia has, all of them. We will not let this happen. This is the first point.

Secondly, such statements can only be made by irresponsible individuals who are not accountable for anything and do not feel any burden of responsiblity for the destiny of their countries and the entire world.

And thirdly, if someone transfers something officially, that will constitute a violation of all assumed commitments regarding non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

And we will not let this happen in Ukraine itself, we will be watching every step being taken there. It used to be a very high-tech and industrially developed republic of the Soviet Union. However, everything or nearly everything Soviet Ukraine could take pride in has been lost. Thus it will be next to impossible to do it from scratch. What could be done is something dirty, a dirty bomb by scrambling up nuclear power plants’ waste. But even in this case the response will be absolutely adequate to the threats to the Russian Federation."
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/75689

Oh I know! Bloody Ukrainians, how dare they resist ruzzian armies and destroy our loverly tanks! Now they want to throw a nuke at us? What have we done to deserve that? Nothing!

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11471 armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine—joins NATO or develops nuclear weapons Reply #9 - Dec 5^th, 2024 at 2:36pm Last year: 28 Apr 2023 — Russian pilots have begun buzzing American fighter jets over Syria in apparent invitations to dogfight'. -- Nice one. Russian jet is shot down by Nuke States of America. Putin launches everything.
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Reply #10 - Dec 6^th, 2024 at 12:01pm

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