Is islam a religion or a political movement.

Can it be both.

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:33pm:


We need to define what is a......religion. [the characteristics of]

And to define what is a......political movement. [the characteristics of]

And then determine, if you believe that ISLAM has the characteristics of a religion, or of a political movement, or both.


As an aside......
Could we try applying the same test to,
for example, Roman Catholicism [or indeed, any other 'religion'] ?


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Matthew 20:25
But Jesus called them unto him, and said,
Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them,
and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26  But it shall not be so among you:
but whosoever will be great among you,
let him be your minister;
27  And whosoever will be chief among you,
let him be your servant:
28  Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister,
and to give his life a ransom for many.


The word 'Gentiles' alludes, to the things and secular/temporal authority, IN AND OF, THIS WORLD.


John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.



Stay curious.

@ Reply #3,

We shouldn't be frightened of those who ask questions,
we should only be frightened, of those who want to stop the questions.
- Yadda


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Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:


Isaiah 59:4
None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.


Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
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6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.


John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The reason I ask is because as a political party Islam is open to criticism but if you do criticize the political side of Islam then it is classed as hate speech, islamophobia, racial discrimination and therefore off limits.

Most muslims cannot separate religion from politics so any talk about politics is regarded as attacking religion.

Muslims can criticize political parties without being censored but any criticism of islamic politics is censored as islamophobia.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

No. Judaism is a religion.  Zionism is a political movement. You can be either without being the other at the same time.

In Islam there is no separation of the personal and political, the spiritual and the practical.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 1:05pm:

What do they say?

Frank wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:


Basicallly religion and politics are two separate fields, Soren.  Now tell us who told you otherwise?  Or are you too scared at exposing your ignorance?  Tsk tsk, tsk... 

Name the Muslims who you have spoken to Soren. Give us a name(s) or are you too frightened to admit that you're making this bullshit up.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...