Frank wrote on Dec 12
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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12
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Frank wrote on Dec 12
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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12
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lee wrote on Dec 11
th, 2024 at 1:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11
th, 2024 at 1:15pm:
]Poor RW crippled-brain lee, can't discuss the source of morality in the world[/highlight], so gets himself all confused over neighbouring Arab states who accept the 2-state solution, which is what the UNGA recently voted for, 157 to 8 lee- type losers.
So Morality has a source? Which morality Islam , Christian or other?
The crippled RW Conservative brain can't think for himself, wants me to explain it for him.
We have to consider what a "source" of morality refers to, as opposed to AWARENESS of morality, in the context of a discussion about morality and religion.
The source of morality is a mystery involving questions like
is the universe created or eternal?
who created it, if it was created?
The world's religions have attempted to answer such questions, but any answers are inadequate because the human brain cannot understand infinity.
BUT
the AWARENESS of morality arose in the (evolved) human cerebral cortex; it's that
awareness of self and others, and there desireswhich separates us from the animals.
But instinctive survival mechanisms in all creatures, combined with egregious
Conservative self-interest over-rules morality, in favour of war and entrenched poverty among the losers in the competition for resources.
Here endeth the first lesson....(as my Sunday school teacher used to say...)
Today's gruel: hotch-potch, with lashings of stupidity and self-contradictions.
Admitedly a discussion of the source/awareness of morality is beyond your capacity; nevertheless you ought to be able to point to the "self-contradictions" in my post, to support your case re "stupidity".
Graps will be all ears....
Lee can't discuss the source of morality, you say, because of RW brain. But to you, the source of morality is a mystery to do with creation - So not about the brain.
Interesting how logical discussion so easily runs off the rails. The first sentence is correct (though you can replace "RW brain" with the words "his ideogically blind brain", to make the statement more accurately convey my argument.
Quote:But awareness of this mystery is about the brain, in the cerebral cortex where self awareness and awareness of others and their desires and our own arise. This is treated as what separates us from animals. Needless to say animals are also aware of others, of the desires of others and their own.
Your error: awareness is a matter of degree; animals certainly don't conceive of abstract concepts like
morality, justice and fairness - and "rights", least of all
infinite divinity. Quote:Then self-interested morality is smuggled in, forgetting that it was rooted, a few lines earlier in creation mysteries.
Well, you have not comprehended what I said.
The words "self-interested" and "morality" are nowhere combined in my treatise, to produce your oxymoronic phrase "self-interested morality". Morality (by which I mean
goodness, the golden rule, justice and fairness) is universally percieved by all humans (whether spurned or not); self interest may or not coincide with this universal morality, in the self-interested individual.
Quote: And now the usual mantra about war and poverty can be parroted AS IF you had presented a logical argument that led you here.
Ok..perhaps there are a few steps in getting from awareness of morality (as defined above), to the creation of international law
"to save mankind from the scourge of war" - and entrenched, generational poverty ) see the UN Charter, and the UNUDHR.
The reason you can't take those steps is shown above; you mistakenly combine and confuse
universal morality with the (partly instinctive)
self-interest of individuals.
Quote:But no. You said some stupid, contradictory nonsense about creation mysteries, cortex, awareness, desires, survival instinct - and then, unrelatedly, folowing from nothing, parotted your usual bilge which you always parrot, no matter what preceeds it.
So your post was typical: a hotchpotch of ignorance and stupidity followed by war and poverty. I wonder why left out the UN and China as the answer to all our moral dilemmas, both at source and awareness level.
Unfortunately, that paragraph is merely an example of GIGO; you will need to show where I am wrong in my differentiation between morality - as in the Golden Rule - versus individual self-interest which you combined in an oxymoron, as noted at the top.
Anyway, congrats for a serious attempt to understand "morality", even though you fell into GIGO at the end.
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