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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #135 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 11:08am

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

Palestinians must accept the existence of Israel. Anything less than that means no Palestinian state. Ever.

Correct ...even a broken watch is correct twice a day....

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Take it from that, it is non-negotiable.

You mean - the Palestinians have to accept Israeli sovereignty over East Jerusalem, and a swiss cheese arrangement in the WB?

Why not? There are Arabs, Muslims in Israel.

Must Palestine be Judenfrei?

The population of the West Bank is 80–85% Muslim (mostly Sunni) and 12–14% Jewish

In 2022 Israel recorded 73.6% of its population as Jews, 21.1% as Arabs, and 5.3% as "Others"

But only Jews are guaranteed citizenship, Soren. Funny how you overlook that, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Overlooked? Israel is a Jewish state. It was created to be a sanctuary for Jews. To accept Jews IS its reason for being.

Created by the UN in a process which led to ongoing war, due to UN incompetence (ie lack of machinery to maintain peace between disputing nations/cultural groups).

Meanwhile, Trump is saying "there will be all hell to pay if the hostages aren't released before Inauguration Day".

Another holocaust? Ironic....

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Still, Israel has more Arab and Muslim citizen ss than the WB has Jews. And who says you can't have Jews in the WB?

Your errors exposed in my previous post: illegal access roads to illegal settlements - impermissible.

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Khaled Kabub (Arabic: خالد كبوب, Hebrew: חאלד כבוב, born 1958) is an Israeli-Arab judge. Kabub was appointed in 2022 at the Supreme Court of Israel becoming its first Muslim member to be permanently appointed. Any high ranking Jews in Fatah, PLO or Hamas or Hezb'allah?

And maybe a WB (Palestinian) court would have a Jewish judge by now, if Palestine had been created in 1947, as per UN res 181, (with resistors to its implementation checked by the UNSC at that time.)

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The WB has not been at war since the creation of Israel, now almost 80 years ago. It has been, however, occupied territory all that time, and even before that. Just not by Israel. By Jordan and before that, Britain. Before that, the Ottomans. Before that the Mamluks. Before that, the .....zzzzzz.......

Again, your error already exposed: the WB's development has been crippled by ongoing hostilities between the Arab world and Israel, regardless of who was occupying the WB.

And in fact much of the Arab ME has been ruined as a result of related conflict with 'the great satan' the US - Israel's main backer.

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #136 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:40pm

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

Palestinians must accept the existence of Israel. Anything less than that means no Palestinian state. Ever.

Correct ...even a broken watch is correct twice a day....

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Take it from that, it is non-negotiable.

You mean - the Palestinians have to accept Israeli sovereignty over East Jerusalem, and a swiss cheese arrangement in the WB?

Why not? There are Arabs, Muslims in Israel.

Must Palestine be Judenfrei?

The population of the West Bank is 80–85% Muslim (mostly Sunni) and 12–14% Jewish

In 2022 Israel recorded 73.6% of its population as Jews, 21.1% as Arabs, and 5.3% as "Others"

But only Jews are guaranteed citizenship, Soren. Funny how you overlook that, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

I have been to Israel. Travelled from Cairo. It was like crossing from barbarity to Geneva. I have seen the Arabs close up and the Israelis close up.

Your error: economic and technological advance in the WB has been destroyed by 70 years of war and Israeli occupation. Have you been to Qatar?

WB has not been at war for 70 years. Before Israel, it was occupied by Jordan.
And I was comparing Egypt and Israel.

57 years actually. The last war over the West Bank occurred in 1967. Your historical knowledge is sketchy at best, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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As for Qatar:
Qatar relies almost entirely on about two million migrants, who make up ninety-five percent of the country’s workforce in sectors ranging from construction to services to domestic work. Qatar’s migrant workers come predominantly from India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Kenya, and the Philippines.

So? All that shows is that the Qataris guard their citizenship expressly, just like the Jews of Israel. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Let us not forget that Syria, Iraq, Jordan etc were also created by the British, for the Arabs.
So why not a sliver for the Jews?

It's truly hard to comprehend that someone posted this with a straight face.

Behold! The diseased mind!

Mothra is surprised, ONCE again, by the facts of history.

They don't teach history in Cert IV Wymmyn's Postcolonial Studies.

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Reply #137 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:18pm

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

They don't teach history in Cert IV Wymmyn's Postcolonial Studies.

And who taught YOU history?

You wrote:

"Let us not forget that Syria, Iraq, Jordan etc were also created by the British, for the Arabs.
So why not a sliver for the Jews?"

In fact Britain (and France), victors of WW1, redrew the former lands which had belonged to the defeated Ottoman Empire.

Notwithstanding, the Brits lied to Lawrence of Arabia who had inspired the Arabs to fight against the Turks:

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In 1915, the British High Commissioner to Egypt, Henry McMahon, promised the Arabs that Britain would support an independent Arab state in the Ottoman Empire's Arab provinces, including Palestine. However, Britain secretly signed the Sykes–Picot Agreement with France, which conflicted with the promises made to the Arabs. The agreement divided the Middle East into spheres of influence for Britain and France, and included British and French advisors in the area designated as an Arab state.

Lawrence was a British Intelligence Officer who fought alongside Arab guerrilla forces in World War I. He felt "bitter shame" over the UK's false promises and was involved in a conspiracy to assure the Arabs of their reward.

Deplorable.

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Reply #140 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:18pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

They don't teach history in Cert IV Wymmyn's Postcolonial Studies.

And who taught YOU history?

You wrote:

"Let us not forget that Syria, Iraq, Jordan etc were also created by the British, for the Arabs.
So why not a sliver for the Jews?"

In fact Britain (and France), victors of WW1, redrew the former lands which had belonged to the defeated Ottoman Empire.

Notwithstanding, the Brits lied to Lawrence of Arabia who had inspired the Arabs to fight against the Turks:

(google)

In 1915, the British High Commissioner to Egypt, Henry McMahon, promised the Arabs that Britain would support an independent Arab state in the Ottoman Empire's Arab provinces, including Palestine. However, Britain secretly signed the Sykes–Picot Agreement with France, which conflicted with the promises made to the Arabs. The agreement divided the Middle East into spheres of influence for Britain and France, and included British and French advisors in the area designated as an Arab state.

Lawrence was a British Intelligence Officer who fought alongside Arab guerrilla forces in World War I. He felt "bitter shame" over the UK's false promises and was involved in a conspiracy to assure the Arabs of their reward.

Deplorable.

SO Britain and France DID create those Arab states - that never before existed - after they defeated the Ottoman Turks, the occupiers of those regions for centuries. And which weren't even Arab territories until the Arabs, pouring out of Araby in the 8th century, conquered them. They were majority Christian for centuries even after the Arab conquest. Egypt still was majority Christian until the Middle Ages.

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #141 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:41pm

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:18pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

They don't teach history in Cert IV Wymmyn's Postcolonial Studies.

And who taught YOU history?

You wrote:

"Let us not forget that Syria, Iraq, Jordan etc were also created by the British, for the Arabs.
So why not a sliver for the Jews?"

In fact Britain (and France), victors of WW1, redrew the former lands which had belonged to the defeated Ottoman Empire.

Notwithstanding, the Brits lied to Lawrence of Arabia who had inspired the Arabs to fight against the Turks:

(google)

In 1915, the British High Commissioner to Egypt, Henry McMahon, promised the Arabs that Britain would support an independent Arab state in the Ottoman Empire's Arab provinces, including Palestine. However, Britain secretly signed the Sykes–Picot Agreement with France, which conflicted with the promises made to the Arabs. The agreement divided the Middle East into spheres of influence for Britain and France, and included British and French advisors in the area designated as an Arab state.

Lawrence was a British Intelligence Officer who fought alongside Arab guerrilla forces in World War I. He felt "bitter shame" over the UK's false promises and was involved in a conspiracy to assure the Arabs of their reward.

Deplorable.

SO Britain and France DID create those Arab states - that never before existed - after they defeated the Ottoman Turks, the occupiers of those regions for centuries.

Confirming your poor comprehension skills (or faulty logic):

"...promised the Arabs that Britain would support an independent Arab state in the Ottoman Empire's Arab provinces, including Palestine."

Of course those Arab provinces existed before the Ottoman empire was defeated; names and delineation of those provinces were sometimes changed to suit the victors, as always (...before "the acquistion of territory by force is inadmissible": UN law), but names like Palestine and Syria had existed for centuries.

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And which weren't even Arab territories until the Arabs, pouring out of Araby in the 8th century, conquered them.

Correct...before "the acquistion of territory by force....."etc.

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They were majority Christian for centuries even after the Arab conquest. Egypt still was majority Christian until the Middle Ages.

Just shows how enlighted the Arabs were during the Golden Age of Islam; Cordoba was one of the most advanced multi-cultural cities in the world at that time.

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #142 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 7:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:41pm: