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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #60 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

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There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #64 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:46pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

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There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

No, Islamic terrorism is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

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Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine, in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

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They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by the UNSC.

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So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.

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40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

The world calls it genocide, let's see what the ICC says.

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #65 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

Quote:

There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

No, Islamic terrorism is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

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Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine, in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

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They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by the UNSC.

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So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.

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40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

The world calls it genocide, let's see what the ICC says.

Israel accepted the UN partition plan, the Arabs didn't. Nor any of the other half dozen offers of statehood since 1948.

Whose fault is that?

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Reply #67 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:51pm

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

Quote:

There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

No, Islamic terrorism is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

Quote:

Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine, in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

Quote:

They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by the UNSC.

Quote:

So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.

Quote:

40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

The world calls it genocide, let's see what the ICC says.

Israel accepted the UN partition plan, the Arabs didn't. Nor any of the other half dozen offers of statehood since 1948.

(sigh) even after I explained WHY the partition plan agreed by the majority of UN members, but rejected by the Arab states (and Palestinians), was the immediate cause of war (from 1947 on), you still can't see the situation from the Arab viewpoint: it was Arab land (half of Palestine) which the Palestinians were being told to give up, by the UN.

Of course Jews were in favor; but the Arab world remained opposed to the creation of Israel, until Arab inability to defeat Israel forced them to negotiate at Camp David.

But Camp David is where US power melted in the face of Jew ideology re Jerusalem, and allowed negotiations to stall.

So no outcome; Rabin was soon to be murdered by a Jew spouting the OT.......and here are, with an ongoing genocide from both sides.

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Whose fault is that?

The UN. It should never have recognized Israel until the UNSC could guarantee secure implementation of UN res. 181.

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Reply #68 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

Quote:

There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

No, Islamic terrorism is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

Quote:

Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine, in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

Quote:

They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by the UNSC.

Quote:

So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.

Quote:

40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

The world calls it genocide, let's see what the ICC says.

Israel accepted the UN partition plan, the Arabs didn't. Nor any of the other half dozen offers of statehood since 1948.

(sigh) even after I explained WHY the partition plan agreed by the majority of UN members, but rejected by the Arab states (and Palestinians), was the immediate cause of war (from 1947 on), you still can't see the situation from the Arab viewpoint: it was Arab land (half of Palestine) which the Palestinians were being told to give up, by the UN.

Of course Jews were in favor; but the Arab world remained opposed to the creation of Israel, until Arab inability to defeat Israel forced them to negotiate at Camp David.

But Camp David is where US power melted in the face of Jew ideology re Jerusalem, and allowed negotiations to stall.

So no outcome; Rabin was soon to be murdered by a Jew spouting the OT.......and here are, with an ongoing genocide from both sides.

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Whose fault is that?

The UN. It should never have recognized Israel until the UNSC could guarantee secure implementation of UN res. 181.

So the Palestinians do not want two states.

They want one, from the Jordan River to the Med Sea.

Well, t that's not going to work without another holocaust. Which is what Hamas Heb'allah, Iran, Isis, Al Qaeda and lots of Muslims, Greens, nazis etc on Australian streets want.

Ta.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12968 Gender:	Re: Judeophobia in Australia Reply #70 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:28pm Valkie wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 5:57pm: Wherever the CULT OF DEAT GOES. CIVILIZATION SUFFERS. "Listen to the Word of God: Smite them all and spare them not - men, women, children and sucklings..." 1 Samuel 15, 1-3. Muhammud chose the wrong god for his new religion....
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Judeophobia in Australia Reply #71 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:32pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:28pm: Muhammud chose the wrong god for his new religion.... So you believe in more than one God? Or perhaps a singular God, known by many names?
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Reply #72 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:40pm

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:11pm:

So the Palestinians do not want two states.

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution#:~:text=The%20Palestinian%20Auth...

The Palestinian Authority supports the idea of a two-state solution;[11] Israel at times has also supported the idea, but nowadays rejects the creation of a Palestinian state.

Do try to keep up.

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They want one, from the Jordan River to the Med Sea.

You have it back to front, see above. Don't rely on posters in demos to gain your knowledge; the PA is seeking two states, and most Arab governments also now accept it.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Judeophobia in Australia Reply #73 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:46pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:40pm: and most Arab governments also now accept it. As long as they are not a part of it. NIMBY's.
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Reply #74 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:00pm

lee wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:28pm:

Muhammud chose the wrong god for his new religion....

So you believe in more than one God? Or perhaps a singular God, known by many names?

So lee has to ask me to help him understand the source of morality in the universe; the 2nd option is closer to, but not objective reality.

eg Jahweh and Allah are the same God (according to the Koran).

Perhaps you can say what you mean by "a singular God known by many names"....sounds like Christians getting themselves in a bind re '3 gods in one'... which Muhammad (correctly) rejected...

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