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Reply #75 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:05pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 12:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 12:40pm:
and most Arab governments also now accept it. 


As long as they are not a part of it. NIMBY's. Roll Eyes


Er ...Arabia, Jordan, and Eygpt ARE in the backyard.
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Reply #76 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:05pm:
Er ...Arabia, Jordan, and Eygpt ARE in the backyard.



NOT in a PALESTINIAN backyard. "Not in my country'. Roll Eyes
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Reply #77 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
Israel not only initiated the Two State Solution (same as here with our Aborigines - it'll catch on if their Intifada keeps up), but still holds it out as The Solution - essentially a gift of ancient Hebrew land to these upstart Arab invaders.

What IS required is that Hamas and any and all similar organisations have no place there.... only the peaceful Arabs.... well - there goes the whole ball game... all those little kids raised with a gun and a bomb in their hands will take a lot of work to get that out of their heads.... a generation at least, probably two - just to clear it out and re-boot.  The only solution therefore - is a very wide safety margin around Israel's borders - which........ **drrrrummmm roooooollls** .... the UN MUST ensure before it opens its mouth any wider to accommodate Arab members...!!

.... ain't that a fine turn of phrase? .......
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Reply #78 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
Israel not only initiated the Two State Solution...


Cool....your very first sentence is absolute nonsense, which will save me the time having to read the resulting GIGO which follows. 

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Reply #79 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:10pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
So lee has to ask me to help him understand the source of morality in the universe; the 2nd option is closer to, but not objective reality.

eg Jahweh and Allah  are the same God (according to the Koran). 


Yes. And?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
Perhaps you can say what you mean by "a singular God known by many names"....sounds like Christians getting themselves in a bind re '3 gods in one'...  which Muhammad (correctly) rejected...   


So you don't believe the various gods of the native tribes may be the same God by a different name? Roll Eyes  That only those who believe in Allah or God would enter Heaven? With or without the 72 virgins. Can those not virgins be made "whole" again? Wink

"which Muhammad (correctly) rejected" - How could Jesus, being known as the Son of God, be God? Sounds like a version of "I'm my own Grandpa". Wink
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Reply #80 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:15pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:05pm:
Er ...Arabia, Jordan, and Eygpt ARE in the backyard.



NOT in a PALESTINIAN backyard. "Not in my country'. Roll Eyes


Poor RW crippled-brain lee, can't discuss the source of morality in the world, so gets himself all confused over neighbouring Arab states who accept the 2-state solution, which is what the UNGA recently voted for, 157 to 8 lee- type losers.


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Reply #81 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:15pm:
Poor RW crippled-brain lee, can't discuss the source of morality in the world, so gets himself all confused over neighbouring Arab states who accept the 2-state solution, which is what the UNGA recently voted for, 157 to 8 lee- type losers.


So Morality has a source? Which morality Islam , Christian or other? Wink
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Reply #82 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:55pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 12:40pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:11pm:
So the Palestinians do not want two states.


ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution#:~:text=The%20Palestinian%20Auth...

The Palestinian Authority supports the idea of a two-state solution;[11] Israel at times has also supported the idea, but nowadays rejects the creation of a Palestinian state.

Do try to keep up.

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They want one, from the Jordan River to the Med Sea.


You have it back to front, see above. Don't rely on posters in demos to gain your knowledge; the PA is seeking two states, and most Arab governments also now accept it. 



The Jews accepted the first two-state solution put to them and the Arabs by the UN in 1948.

How many two state solutions have the Palestinians rejected since then?

Six.


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Reply #83 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:05pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 3:46pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:56pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 1:14pm:
With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany -  even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful. 

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic".  Deplorable. 

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.  


You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.


Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements  in the WB.   

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the)  occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word  "the" was in the language of  original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have  enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the  1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's  unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists. 

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There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.


40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war. 




Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.


No,  Islamic terrorism  is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the  recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

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Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?


Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine,  in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

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They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.


The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by  the UNSC. 

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So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.


Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.   

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40,000 non-combatants? Grin Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.


The world calls it genocide, let's see what  the ICC says.






The Jews have been there for over 2,500 years & a 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

The world doesn't call it genocide - so few speaking for so many ..... typical leftiods.

Who murdered & drove Jews out of the ME?
Wouldn't have been Arab Muslims?
Couldn't have been considered a genocide?
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Reply #84 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:28pm
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #85 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:09pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:14pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 11:58am:
It's hard to tell with you, but I don't know if you pro- or against- firebombing a synagogue.

Care to provide your views on the story?


Here's a counter to all you pro-Palestinian/pro-hamas/Hezbollah terrorists.


I assume that's directed at me, since you replied directly to me.

If you're going to make an accusation like that about me, you're going to need to quote where I've said that I support those views, or take it back.
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Reply #86 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:14pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:09pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:14pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 11:58am:
It's hard to tell with you, but I don't know if you pro- or against- firebombing a synagogue.

Care to provide your views on the story?


Here's a counter to all you pro-Palestinian/pro-hamas/Hezbollah terrorists.


I assume that's directed at me, since you replied directly to me.

If you're going to make an accusation like that about me, you're going to need to quote where I've said that I support those views, or take it back.


Well - you screech 'racist' and stuff at people for simply discussing endemic Aboriginal problems and Bad Mussos and such... you should just brush that off as being in the same vein..... tit for tat - though I prefer tits to tats.....

So - what is your stance on the Mad Musso jihading etc?  Justified against Jews?  What about the Rottball Lefty 'students' - the great and fearless leaders of tomorrow (god help Australia) who imagine they are doing the noble deed for The Great Cause by abusing Jewish students and raving about the poor Gazan murderers?

They should be made to wait until they grow into their noses.... or be stripped of their student status, charged, having their student cash withdrawn, and being forbidden entry to any house of learning until they have made full restitution...... crawl for a mile down Broadway ....
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.... until they reach Railway square... then prostrate themselves in front of the Great Synagogue, and beg forgiveness... before a weekend in the town stocks during winter rain, followed by a public flogging and castigation.... (I said castigation, Igor - put away that knife).... followed by a parade through the Eastern Suburbs naked on the back of a crocodile... 

That should do it .......................
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Reply #87 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 5:04pm
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #88 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:15am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:14pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:09pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:14pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 11:58am:
It's hard to tell with you, but I don't know if you pro- or against- firebombing a synagogue.

Care to provide your views on the story?


Here's a counter to all you pro-Palestinian/pro-hamas/Hezbollah terrorists.


I assume that's directed at me, since you replied directly to me.

If you're going to make an accusation like that about me, you're going to need to quote where I've said that I support those views, or take it back.


Well - you screech 'racist' and stuff at people for simply discussing endemic Aboriginal problems and Bad Mussos and such... you should just brush that off as being in the same vein..... tit for tat - though I prefer tits to tats.....


Because you constantly use racial slurs, advocate for their murder and genocide and lament the fact the British didn't wipe them out during colonisation.

Me asking you for clarification if you're for or against the firebombing of a synagogue is hardly the same thing.
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Reply #89 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 9:37am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 12:40pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:11pm:
So the Palestinians do not want two states.


ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution#:~:text=The%20Palestinian%20Auth...

The Palestinian Authority supports the idea of a two-state solution;[11] Israel at times has also supported the idea, but nowadays rejects the creation of a Palestinian state.

Do try to keep up.

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They want one, from the Jordan River to the Med Sea.


You have it back to front, see above. Don't rely on posters in demos to gain your knowledge; the PA is seeking two states, and most Arab governments also now accept it. 



The Jews accepted the first two-state solution put to them and the Arabs by the UN in 1948.


But the Arab world didn't, beause Palestine had been in Arab hands since the 7th century Arab conquest of Palestinae, ie after 1300 years, Arabs considered Palestine to be theirs.  (Israel had ceased to exist back  in Roman times...before the UN had determined "the conquest of territory by force is inadmissible" : UN res 242)..


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How many two state solutions have the Palestinians rejected since then?


After 1967, none: the US Jewish and RW Christian lobby were never going to accept anything less than Jewish sovereignty over all of Jerusalem, despite the terms of UN res 242.

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See above; the US kept blocking implementation of UN242, with continuous UNSC vetos, on behalf of Jewish mythology about Jerusalem. That's why the Camp David summit negotiations failed. 

Re the current heated debate  re "antisemitism" in Oz, I'm not arguing against Jewish identity. I'm arguing against the ongoing genocide carried out by both sides in the never ending Palestine/Israel war.

Like the 157 members of the UNGA who voted  to end the war as per the 2 state solution. 

Your blind ideology - supported by only 8 members,  (and only one of them a wealthy first world country....)
is THE stumblimg block.
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