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Reply #90 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:03am

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

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There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

No, Islamic terrorism is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

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Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine, in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

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They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by the UNSC.

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So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.

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40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

The world calls it genocide, let's see what the ICC says.

The Jews have been there for over 2,500 years & a 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Correct, but the state of Israel ceased to exist in the 1st century AD, when it became 'Syria Palestina' under the Romans, and later 'Palestinae' under the Byzantines, until the Arab conquest and the area was known as 'Filastin'.

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The world doesn't call it genocide - so few speaking for so many ..... typical leftiods.

and yet Netanyahu has an arrest warrant against him (and the Hamas leader who Israel has eliminated...) issued by the ICC, the world's top international court.

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Who murdered & drove Jews out of the ME?

Romans - back in the days before the UN determined "the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible": UN)

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Wouldn't have been Arab Muslims?

No; actually the commander of the Muslim invasion of Byzantine Palestinae allowed the Jews still living there to remain, in fact the Jews were glad to see the oppresive Jew-hating (Christian) Byzantines gone.

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Couldn't have been considered a genocide?

The Arab conquest?

No, as explained by the facts of history, above.

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #91 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:10am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

No; actually the commander of the Muslim invasion of Byzantine Palestinae allowed the Jews still living there to remain, in fact the Jews were glad to see the oppresive Jew-hating (Christian) Byzantines gone.

Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before. Nowadays, it is estimated that only around 15,000 remain, as the majority of the Jewish population in Muslim lands were forced to flee their homes in the years following the establishment of the State of Israel. This mass expulsion and exodus is part of modern history, but inexplicably, it’s neither taught at schools nor remembered within the context of the conflicts in the Middle East.

For over 2,500 years, Jews lived continuously in North Africa, the Middle East and the Gulf region the first Jewish population had already settled there at least 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Despite the positive influence that Jews brought to the places where they lived, more than 850,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Morocco, and several other Arab countries in the 20 years that followed the Arab-Israeli war of 1948. Another major forced migration took place from Iran in 1979–80, following the Iranian Revolution and the collapse of the shah’s regime, adding 70,000 more Jewish refugees to this number.

In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League (League of Arab States) drafted a law that was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all of its member states. This Draft Law of the Arab League provided that “...all Jews – with the exception of citizens of non-Arab countries – were to be considered members of the Jewish ‘minority state of Palestine’; that their bank accounts would be frozen and used to finance resistance to ‘Zionist ambitions in Palestine; Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned as political prisoners and their assets confiscated; only Jews who accept active service in Arab armies or place themselves at the disposal of these armies would be considered ‘Arabs.”

https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/the-expulsion-of-jews-from-arab-coun...

Cuddly, tolerant Islam, eh?

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #92 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am

lee wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

Poor RW crippled-brain lee, can't discuss the source of morality in the world, so gets himself all confused over neighbouring Arab states who accept the 2-state solution, which is what the UNGA recently voted for, 157 to 8 lee- type losers.

So Morality has a source? Which morality Islam , Christian or other? Wink

The crippled RW Conservative brain can't think for himself, wants me to explain it for him.

We have to consider what a "source" of morality refers to, as opposed to AWARENESS of morality, in the context of a discussion about morality and religion.

The source of morality is a mystery involving questions like

is the universe created or eternal?

who created it, if it was created?

The world's religions have attempted to answer such questions, but any answers are inadequate because the human brain cannot understand infinity.

BUT

the AWARENESS of morality arose in the (evolved) human cerebral cortex; it's that awareness of self and others, including awareness of conflicting desires, which separates us from the animals.

But instinctive survival mechanisms in all creatures, combined with egregious Conservative self-interest over-rules morality, in favour of war and entrenched poverty among the losers in the competition for resources.

Here endeth the first lesson....(as my Sunday school teacher used to say...)

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #93 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:40am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

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There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

No, Islamic terrorism is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

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Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine, in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

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They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by the UNSC.

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So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.

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40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

The world calls it genocide, let's see what the ICC says.

The Jews have been there for over 2,500 years & a 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Correct, but the state of Israel ceased to exist in the 1st century AD, when it became 'Syria Palestina' under the Romans, and later 'Palestinae' under the Byzantines, until the Arab conquest and the area was known as 'Filastin'.

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The world doesn't call it genocide - so few speaking for so many ..... typical leftiods.

and yet Netanyahu has an arrest warrant against him (and the Hamas leader who Israel has eliminated...) issued by the ICC, the world's top international court.

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Who murdered & drove Jews out of the ME?

Romans - back in the days before the UN determined "the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible": UN)

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Wouldn't have been Arab Muslims?

No; actually the commander of the Muslim invasion of Byzantine Palestinae allowed the Jews still living there to remain, in fact the Jews were glad to see the oppresive Jew-hating (Christian) Byzantines gone.

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Couldn't have been considered a genocide?

The Arab conquest?

No, as explained by the facts of history, above.

Not me - I'm just here to see how many posts it takes to total the page....

168 words left... now what can I put in here...War and Peace:-

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Reply #94 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:43am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

lee wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

Poor RW crippled-brain lee, can't discuss the source of morality in the world, so gets himself all confused over neighbouring Arab states who accept the 2-state solution, which is what the UNGA recently voted for, 157 to 8 lee- type losers.

So Morality has a source? Which morality Islam , Christian or other? Wink

The crippled RW Conservative brain can't think for himself, wants me to explain it for him.

We have to consider what a "source" of morality refers to, as opposed to AWARENESS of morality, in the context of a discussion about morality and religion.

The source of morality is a mystery involving questions like

is the universe created or eternal?

who created it, if it was created?

The world's religions have attempted to answer such questions, but any answers are inadequate because the human brain cannot understand infinity.

BUT

the AWARENESS of morality arose in the (evolved) human cerebral cortex; it's that awareness of self and others, and there desireswhich separates us from the animals.

But instinctive survival mechanisms in all creatures, combined with egregious Conservative self-interest over-rules morality, in favour of war and entrenched poverty among the losers in the competition for resources.

Here endeth the first lesson....(as my Sunday school teacher used to say...)

Today's gruel: hotch-potch, with lashings of stupidity and self-contradictions.

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Re: Judeophobia in Australia
Reply #96 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:52am

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:43am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

lee wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

Poor RW crippled-brain lee, can't discuss the source of morality in the world, so gets himself all confused over neighbouring Arab states who accept the 2-state solution, which is what the UNGA recently voted for, 157 to 8 lee- type losers.

So Morality has a source? Which morality Islam , Christian or other? Wink

The crippled RW Conservative brain can't think for himself, wants me to explain it for him.

We have to consider what a "source" of morality refers to, as opposed to AWARENESS of morality, in the context of a discussion about morality and religion.

The source of morality is a mystery involving questions like

is the universe created or eternal?

who created it, if it was created?

The world's religions have attempted to answer such questions, but any answers are inadequate because the human brain cannot understand infinity.

BUT

the AWARENESS of morality arose in the (evolved) human cerebral cortex; it's that awareness of self and others, and there desireswhich separates us from the animals.

But instinctive survival mechanisms in all creatures, combined with egregious Conservative self-interest over-rules morality, in favour of war and entrenched poverty among the losers in the competition for resources.

Here endeth the first lesson....(as my Sunday school teacher used to say...)

Today's gruel: hotch-potch, with lashings of stupidity and self-contradictions.

Admitedly a discussion of the source/awareness of morality is beyond your capacity; nevertheless you ought to be able to point to the "self-contradictions" in my post, to support your case re "stupidity".

Graps will be all ears....

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Reply #97 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 11:28am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:52am:

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:43am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

lee wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

]Poor RW crippled-brain lee, can't discuss the source of morality in the world[/highlight], so gets himself all confused over neighbouring Arab states who accept the 2-state solution, which is what the UNGA recently voted for, 157 to 8 lee- type losers.

So Morality has a source? Which morality Islam , Christian or other? Wink

The crippled RW Conservative brain can't think for himself, wants me to explain it for him.

We have to consider what a "source" of morality refers to, as opposed to AWARENESS of morality, in the context of a discussion about morality and religion.

The source of morality is a mystery involving questions like

is the universe created or eternal?

who created it, if it was created?

The world's religions have attempted to answer such questions, but any answers are inadequate because the human brain cannot understand infinity.

BUT

the AWARENESS of morality arose in the (evolved) human cerebral cortex; it's that awareness of self and others, and there desireswhich separates us from the animals.

But instinctive survival mechanisms in all creatures, combined with egregious Conservative self-interest over-rules morality, in favour of war and entrenched poverty among the losers in the competition for resources.

Here endeth the first lesson....(as my Sunday school teacher used to say...)

Today's gruel: hotch-potch, with lashings of stupidity and self-contradictions.

Admitedly a discussion of the source/awareness of morality is beyond your capacity; nevertheless you ought to be able to point to the "self-contradictions" in my post, to support your case re "stupidity".

Graps will be all ears....

Lee can't discuss the source of morality, you say, because of RW brain. But to you, the source of morality is a mystery to do with creation - So not about the brain.

But awareness of this mystery is about the brain, in the cerebral cortex where self awareness and awareness of others and their desires and our own arise. This is treated as what separates us from animals. Needless to say animals are also aware of others, of the desires of others and their own.

Then self-interested morality is smuggled in, forgetting that it was rooted, a few lines earlier in creation mysteries. And now the usual mantra about war and poverty can be parroted AS IF you had presented a logical argument that led you here.
But no. You said some stupid, contradictory nonsense about creation mysteries, cortex, awareness, desires, survival instinct - and then, unrelatedly, folowing from nothing, parotted your usual bilge which you always parrot, no matter what preceeds it.
So your post was typical: a hotchpotch of ignorance and stupidity followed by war and poverty. I wonder why left out the UN and China as the answer to all our moral dilemmas, both at source and awareness level.

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Reply #98 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 1:52pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

The source of morality is a mystery involving questions like

So you don't know either. Thanks for clearing that up. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

the AWARENESS of morality arose in the (evolved) human cerebral cortex; it's that awareness of self and others, including awareness of conflicting desires, which separates us from the animals.

So was that awareness instilled or evolved? Your conclusion is that evolved, through some unknown process. And completely unlikely. Wink

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Reply #99 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 6:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

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There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

No, Islamic terrorism is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

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Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine, in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

Quote:

They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by the UNSC.

Quote:

So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.

Quote:

40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

The world calls it genocide, let's see what the ICC says.

The Jews have been there for over 2,500 years & a 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Correct, but the state of Israel ceased to exist in the 1st century AD, when it became 'Syria Palestina' under the Romans, and later 'Palestinae' under the Byzantines, until the Arab conquest and the area was known as 'Filastin'.

Quote:

The world doesn't call it genocide - so few speaking for so many ..... typical leftiods.

and yet Netanyahu has an arrest warrant against him (and the Hamas leader who Israel has eliminated...) issued by the ICC, the world's top international court.

Quote:

Who murdered & drove Jews out of the ME?

Romans - back in the days before the UN determined "the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible": UN)

Quote:

Wouldn't have been Arab Muslims?

No; actually the commander of the Muslim invasion of Byzantine Palestinae allowed the Jews still living there to remain, in fact the Jews were glad to see the oppresive Jew-hating (Christian) Byzantines gone.

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Couldn't have been considered a genocide?

The Arab conquest?

No, as explained by the facts of history, above.

Yeah ... what a crock of shyte.

It shouldn't have been Israelis having to knock off Hamas terrorist leaders .... it should have been the International community.

The ICC is as big a joke as the UN & NATO.

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Reply #100 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 6:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

With Netanyahu carrying out a continuing genocide against Gazan women and children, while claiming the ICC is "anti-semitic", I reckon the guys who bombed the vacant synagogue might have a legitimate cause - unlike in Nazi germany - even if the methods of the two bombers are not lawful.

This morning Karvelis faied to ask a Jewish woman bleating about "anti-semtism" whether she thought the ICC is "anti semetic". Deplorable.

The book of worship in the synagogue proclaims Jews as "The Chosen People" to whom belongs "The Promised Land".

Both OT (ie, Jewish Bible) assertions are incompatible with international law.

You're just another useful idiot to the terrorist cause of Hezbollah & Hamas.

Certainly I understand WHY Hamas etc have turned to terrorism, after the UN in its wisdom decided to partition Palestine...and 7 decades later there is still no Palestinian state, because Israelis - supported by ugly ideologues in the US - keep accusing the PLA of not wanting to negotiate, as an excuse to keep expanding the illegal settlements in the WB.

[Way back when UN res 242 was adopted, a sticking point was the phrase "withdraw from (the) occupied terriories"; there was argument over whether the word "the" was in the language of original resolution or not.

Disgraceful; the UNSC should have enforced withdrawal from (the?) occupied territories , since the parties were incapable of "negotiation" re the border after the 1967 war.

But the US with its UNSC veto is a bad actor in Palestine, being controlled by the US's unholy alliance of Jewish zealots and RW Christian 'Revelation' literalists.

Quote:

There is no phukkin genocide by Israelis.

40,000 noncombatants slaughtered since Oct 7th and ongoing: 157 members in the UNGA say enough is enough in this 7 decade long war.

Hamas didn't "turn" to terrorism - it is born of terrorism.

No, Islamic terrorism is born of the UN's bungled partition of Palestine (long before Hamas existed) - with the recognition of Israel, but without the recognition of the Palestinian state, as per UN res. 181.

Quote:

Explain why Egypt in the 19 years it had control over Gaza 48 to 67 - and Jordan in the same time had control of the West Bank(illegally) never made an offer to so called Palestinians to set up a free state?

Because the Arab world resented the confiscation of half of Palestine.. Lawrence of Arabia had promised the Arabs soveveignty over Palestine, in return for assistance against the Ottoman empire.

But the British reneged on that promise, and eventually they were forced out of Palestine by Jews, and belatedly handed the old Palestine Mandate to the UN.

Quote:

They went to war with Israel who had agreed to a 2 state solution .... and they lost that war.

The UN should not have recognized Israel until the fighting which began in 1947 was stopped by the UNSC, and the 2 states implemented with security guaranted by the UNSC.

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So the West Bank has never been Palestinian & there are no illegal Jewish settler citizens there.

Now the laughable, false RW ideology appears; Palestinians have lived in what is now termed the WB since the Arab conquest of Palistinae from the Byzantine empire, in the 7th century AD.

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40,000 non-combatants? Grin

Yeah - when the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas ..... I call BS.

The world calls it genocide, let's see what the ICC says.

The Jews have been there for over 2,500 years & a 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Correct, but the state of Israel ceased to exist in the 1st century AD, when it became 'Syria Palestina' under the Romans, and later 'Palestinae' under the Byzantines, until the Arab conquest and the area was known as 'Filastin'.

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The world doesn't call it genocide - so few speaking for so many ..... typical leftiods.

and yet Netanyahu has an arrest warrant against him (and the Hamas leader who Israel has eliminated...) issued by the ICC, the world's top international court.

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Who murdered & drove Jews out of the ME?

Romans - back in the days before the UN determined "the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible": UN)

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Wouldn't have been Arab Muslims?

No; actually the commander of the Muslim invasion of Byzantine Palestinae allowed the Jews still living there to remain, in fact the Jews were glad to see the oppresive Jew-hating (Christian) Byzantines gone.

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Couldn't have been considered a genocide?

The Arab conquest?

No, as explained by the facts of history, above.

And I'd wager they had to pay Jizya to remain or they'd have been killed.

Arabs didn't give so called Palestinians their own state ... why the hell should Israel?

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Reply #101 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:27pm

lee wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

The source of morality is a mystery involving questions like

So you don't know either. Thanks for clearing that up. Grin

I already said we have to differentiate between source and awareness. The former is a mystery because humans can't understand infinity; the latter is granted to us by the fact of humans possessing an evolved cerebral cortex unique in the animal kingdom (of which we are a part).

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So was that awareness instilled or evolved? Your conclusion is that evolved, through some unknown process. And completely unlikely. Wink

Evolved: evolution endowed humans with a bigger brain and more connections between neurons. The 'tree of life' - from the simplest living organisms which appeared on earth c. 500 million years ago - to the most complex living organ in the universe (the human brain) with more cells than stars in the Milky Way - confirms it.

The unknown, and unknowable, process is the origin of the universe and its prime mover if there is a prime mover.

Now... back to the OT 'Chosen People' and 'Promised Land' bronze-age mythology, it's time to move on.

Interestingly it was a Jew who said we should "love God and love one-another" (both Jew and gentile).

A very modern concept, except it presumes the existance of a loving creator God who is only, and can only be, perceived by humans "as through a glass darkly."

But we are all aware of morality, justice and fairness (even if we spurn it) , and possess a brain which in some of us enables the creation of art which connects us to a world beyond this world

"Intimations of Immortality", if you like.

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Reply #102 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:36pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 6:11pm:

Yeah ... what a crock of shyte.

No, it's historical fact.

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It shouldn't have been Israelis having to knock off Hamas terrorist leaders .... it should have been the International community

Correct.

And guess why the UN can't maintain interntional law?

In any case, if the US stopped supporting war as a 'legal' method of dispute settlement, the UNSC could implement the 2 state solution in a fortnight, guarantee the peace, and end the war.

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Reply #103 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:49pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 6:15pm:

And I'd wager they had to pay Jizya to remain or they'd have been killed.

Maybe, but nevertheless the Jews amomg others still living in Palestinae welcomed the change from their "Christian" Byzantine masters, to Muslim Arab sovereignty.

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Arabs didn't give so called Palestinians their own state ... why the hell should Israel

Correct, Arabs assumed sovereignty over Palestinae by force (even if welcomed; the former Byzantine sovereignty was usurped by force).

Whereas Israel only exists today owing to a UN vote to partition Palestine...spot the difference?

The fault is UNSC failure to impose the provisions of the UN resolution (set out in UN res 181), it's not a matter of Israel granting a state to Palestinians.

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Reply #104 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:13am

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

No; actually the commander of the Muslim invasion of Byzantine Palestinae allowed the Jews still living there to remain, in fact the Jews were glad to see the oppresive Jew-hating (Christian) Byzantines gone.

Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before.

Correct; and the triumphant Muslim armies subjugated much of the former Roman empire and more , allowing jews (and christians to remain in those lands, mostly without repression during the 'golden years of Islam'. Muslim Cordoba was a strking example of state toleration of different religions, until the Reconquista.

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Nowadays......

..the British and American empires have been rampaging theugh the ME for over 150 years; and the UN outrage (confiscation of Arab land) was the nail in the coffin for Arab sensibility.

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For over 2,500 years, Jews lived continuously in North Africa, the Middle East and the Gulf region the first Jewish population had already settled there at least 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Correct, with minimal conflict between different religions.

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Despite the positive influence that Jews brought to the places where they lived, more than 850,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Morocco, and several other Arab countries in the 20 years that followed the Arab-Israeli war of 1948. Another major forced migration took place from Iran in 1979–80, following the Iranian Revolution and the collapse of the shah’s regime, adding 70,000 more Jewish refugees to this number.

Correct, but see above, rampaging British and later American armies united the Arabs against "Judeo-Christian Crusaders".

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In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League (League of Arab States) drafted a law that was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all of its member states.
This Draft Law of the Arab League provided that “...all Jews – with the exception of citizens of non-Arab countries – were to be considered members of the Jewish ‘minority state of Palestine’.....”

Yes, and then things really went pearshape in 1947, as follows:

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The Arab League opposed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine in 1947. On 15 May 1948, the then seven Arab League members coordinated an invasion of what was then the former British Mandate, marking the start of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

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Cuddly, tolerant Islam, eh?

Definitely not - just like Israel in former Palestine Mandate land today.

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