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Reply #30 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:10pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 3:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
Karmala was asked many times about the idea of becoming the first female president. She knocked it on the head every time, saying her gender didn't matter squat.

Trump went before a panel of black female journalists and tried saying how great he'd be for women and blacks. He couldn't remember anything he'd done for women and blacks, so he settled on how he'd created black jobs.

When they asked him what a black job was, he threw a tantrum about racist gotcha questions.

SO UNFAIR !!!


I could either not have been paying much attention to the interviews of the presidential candidates, or you are making things up. But, I can believe you about the "black job" comment. Maybe you are referring to the debate Trump had with Biden.

Kamala Harris was looking to be a bit of an Aunt Jemimah in politics. Not that I want to call Ms Harris that. However, that is just how it appears to me.

What counts in American presidential elections are the perceptions that the candidates have upon the public and the public's response to the candidates' speeches. Mr Trump did alright as a manager of the country. Ms Harris probably would have fractured the country's unity.


No, dear, not when you say this:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 2:35pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:44am:
Isn't it great waking up now knowing that Trump is in charge now after his landslide win.

Everything seems so much better and brighter, people are rejoicing and the future is so bright.

I have never seen the world so happy.


I thought Kamala Harris lost the presidency when she tried to appeal to the females only in California, instead of being a president to the whole country. Ms Harris made the same mistake that Hillary Clinton made in 2016.


Karmala was disciplined throughout the entire campaign. Many criticized her for this. She never played the black card as you and others here claimed, then walked back when challenged.

Whenever Karmala was asked about being black, she chuckled and said so what? She deliberately avoided mistakes made by Hillary and never played the female card either.

That's not about perceptions, it's about truth. Perceptions are wrong all the time. Our job, in a political debate, is to correct mistaken perceptions. This is how we arrive at factual conclusions.

And that's how we avoid liars and cheats becoming our leaders.
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Reply #31 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:22pm
 
What you don't know about Americans is their ability to lose interest in things very quickly. Unless their credibility is being challenged, Americans do not bother remembering a lot about details.

Kamala put up a strong stance for women's rights. That is commendable. But, that is nothing when it comes to defending the integrity of all Americans. Imagine Ms Harris to be the American version of Anthony Albanese. Albanese is sucking up to the indigenous Australians because he is too much of a wimp to stand up against foreign influence.

When a politician attacks a person rather than the policies of that person, you are not going to get very far.

I watched the replay of the presidential debate. As soon as Kamala Harris decided to be a lawyer rather than a politician, I felt that Ms Harris was setting herself up to fail. Americans do not like lawyers. They want someone to be entertaining to face the media.

Harris did another Hilary Clinton mistake by appealing to emotion, rather than making promises that she could not keep. At least Mr Trump can go on and make grandiose statements about doing things and only being able to keep the promises of some of those statements.
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Reply #32 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:56pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
What you don't know about Americans is their ability to lose interest in things very quickly. Unless their credibility is being challenged, Americans do not bother remembering a lot about details.

Kamala put up a strong stance for women's rights. That is commendable. But, that is nothing when it comes to defending the integrity of all Americans. Imagine Ms Harris to be the American version of Anthony Albanese. Albanese is sucking up to the indigenous Australians because he is too much of a wimp to stand up against foreign influence.

When a politician attacks a person rather than the policies of that person, you are not going to get very far.

I watched the replay of the presidential debate. As soon as Kamala Harris decided to be a lawyer rather than a politician, I felt that Ms Harris was setting herself up to fail. Americans do not like lawyers. They want someone to be entertaining to face the media.

Harris did another Hilary Clinton mistake by appealing to emotion, rather than making promises that she could not keep. At least Mr Trump can go on and make grandiose statements about doing things and only being able to keep the promises of some of those statements.


I see. So Karmala never played the race card after all, you just didn't like what she said.

No worries, Rocky, then we agree. 51% of voters didn't like it either, dear.

Too bad too sad, no?

Good to see you speaking truth.

Unlike some, I still feel it's a worthwhile commodity, even in these post-truth times.

You?
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Reply #33 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:04pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:56pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
What you don't know about Americans is their ability to lose interest in things very quickly. Unless their credibility is being challenged, Americans do not bother remembering a lot about details.

Kamala put up a strong stance for women's rights. That is commendable. But, that is nothing when it comes to defending the integrity of all Americans. Imagine Ms Harris to be the American version of Anthony Albanese. Albanese is sucking up to the indigenous Australians because he is too much of a wimp to stand up against foreign influence.

When a politician attacks a person rather than the policies of that person, you are not going to get very far.

I watched the replay of the presidential debate. As soon as Kamala Harris decided to be a lawyer rather than a politician, I felt that Ms Harris was setting herself up to fail. Americans do not like lawyers. They want someone to be entertaining to face the media.

Harris did another Hilary Clinton mistake by appealing to emotion, rather than making promises that she could not keep. At least Mr Trump can go on and make grandiose statements about doing things and only being able to keep the promises of some of those statements.


I see. So Karmala never played the race card after all, you just didn't like what she said.

No worries, Rocky, then we agree. 51% of voters didn't like it either, dear.

Too bad too sad, no?

Good to see you speaking truth.

Unlike some, I still feel it's a worthwhile commodity, even in these post-truth times.

You?

You lost, paki. F off.

Truth for you.

Go back to sleep.

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Reply #34 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:32pm
 
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Reply #35 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:37pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:56pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
What you don't know about Americans is their ability to lose interest in things very quickly. Unless their credibility is being challenged, Americans do not bother remembering a lot about details.

Kamala put up a strong stance for women's rights. That is commendable. But, that is nothing when it comes to defending the integrity of all Americans. Imagine Ms Harris to be the American version of Anthony Albanese. Albanese is sucking up to the indigenous Australians because he is too much of a wimp to stand up against foreign influence.

When a politician attacks a person rather than the policies of that person, you are not going to get very far.

I watched the replay of the presidential debate. As soon as Kamala Harris decided to be a lawyer rather than a politician, I felt that Ms Harris was setting herself up to fail. Americans do not like lawyers. They want someone to be entertaining to face the media.

Harris did another Hilary Clinton mistake by appealing to emotion, rather than making promises that she could not keep. At least Mr Trump can go on and make grandiose statements about doing things and only being able to keep the promises of some of those statements.


I see. So Karmala never played the race card after all, you just didn't like what she said.

No worries, Rocky, then we agree. 51% of voters didn't like it either, dear.

Too bad too sad, no?

Good to see you speaking truth.

Unlike some, I still feel it's a worthwhile commodity, even in these post-truth times.

You?

You lost, paki. F off.

Truth for you.

Go back to sleep.



You're on your second bottle, old boy. Time for beddie byes.

Brian, dear, would you mind doing the honours?
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Reply #36 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:44am:
Isn't it great waking up now knowing that Trump is in charge now after his landslide win.

Everything seems so much better and brighter, people are rejoicing and the future is so bright.

I have never seen the world so happy.


Perhaps your distance from the United States will insulate you from the grim consequences of his policies.

The erosion of healthcare, the gutting of social security, rising costs of living, suppressed wages, rampant inflation, soaring interest rates, and the systematic dismantling of environmental protections. These measures prioritise corporate greed over public health and environmental sustainability, paving the way for a more precarious and unhealthy existence for all in the US.

It’s unfortunate, really, you truly deserve to experience the harsh reality of what you so ardently support.
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Reply #37 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 9:22pm
 
Waking up = woke.
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Reply #38 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:06pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Perhaps your distance from the United States will insulate you from the grim consequences of his policies.

The erosion of healthcare, the gutting of social security, rising costs of living, suppressed wages, rampant inflation, soaring interest rates, and the systematic dismantling of environmental protections. These measures prioritise corporate greed over public health and environmental sustainability, paving the way for a more precarious and unhealthy existence for all in the US.

It’s unfortunate, really, you truly deserve to experience the harsh reality of what you so ardently support.


Yeah I'm going to enjoy the next four years, you can live in yours.

Yeah I know Trump is Hitler and he going to gas immigrants and kill babies and eat kittens and double dip his chips.
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Reply #39 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:52pm
 
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Reply #40 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:17am
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Perhaps your distance from the United States will insulate you from the grim consequences of his policies.

The erosion of healthcare, the gutting of social security, rising costs of living, suppressed wages, rampant inflation, soaring interest rates, and the systematic dismantling of environmental protections. These measures prioritise corporate greed over public health and environmental sustainability, paving the way for a more precarious and unhealthy existence for all in the US.

It’s unfortunate, really, you truly deserve to experience the harsh reality of what you so ardently support.


Yeah I'm going to enjoy the next four years, you can live in yours.

Yeah I know Trump is Hitler and he going to gas immigrants and kill babies and eat kittens and double dip his chips.


There is no bigger white flag than someone rewriting what was said to them to a version they can more easily dismiss, allowing them to completely dodge what was actually said to them.
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Reply #41 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:30am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Leroy wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Perhaps your distance from the United States will insulate you from the grim consequences of his policies.

The erosion of healthcare, the gutting of social security, rising costs of living, suppressed wages, rampant inflation, soaring interest rates, and the systematic dismantling of environmental protections. These measures prioritise corporate greed over public health and environmental sustainability, paving the way for a more precarious and unhealthy existence for all in the US.

It’s unfortunate, really, you truly deserve to experience the harsh reality of what you so ardently support.


Yeah I'm going to enjoy the next four years, you can live in yours.

Yeah I know Trump is Hitler and he going to gas immigrants and kill babies and eat kittens and double dip his chips.


There is no bigger white flag than someone rewriting what was said to them to a version they can more easily dismiss, allowing them to completely dodge what was actually said to them.


Trump was president for four years from 2016 to 2020 and he did not erode health care, he did not gut social social security, he reduced costs of living, increased wages,  lowered  inflation, reduced soaring interest rates, decreased unemployment and improved living conditions for all Americans.

We all know that, we all seen that, you can't change history.

There is no bigger red flag than someone who ignores the truth.
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Reply #42 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:25am
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:30am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Leroy wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Perhaps your distance from the United States will insulate you from the grim consequences of his policies.

The erosion of healthcare, the gutting of social security, rising costs of living, suppressed wages, rampant inflation, soaring interest rates, and the systematic dismantling of environmental protections. These measures prioritise corporate greed over public health and environmental sustainability, paving the way for a more precarious and unhealthy existence for all in the US.

It’s unfortunate, really, you truly deserve to experience the harsh reality of what you so ardently support.


Yeah I'm going to enjoy the next four years, you can live in yours.

Yeah I know Trump is Hitler and he going to gas immigrants and kill babies and eat kittens and double dip his chips.


There is no bigger white flag than someone rewriting what was said to them to a version they can more easily dismiss, allowing them to completely dodge what was actually said to them.


Trump was president for four years from 2016 to 2020 and he did not erode health care, he did not gut social social security, he reduced costs of living, increased wages,  lowered  inflation, reduced soaring interest rates, decreased unemployment and improved living conditions for all Americans.

We all know that, we all seen that, you can't change history.

There is no bigger red flag than someone who ignores the truth.


But now you're changing the goalposts.

The policies he's announced for his next term all paint the long-term picture that I've described.

You're changing the goalposts to look backwards, and in a stunning red flag of your own, are choosing to ignore all the risks to what he's saying he will do.

Perhaps like many other things, he's simply lying and in reality won't be as reckless and extreme as he's claiming he wants to be.

Only time will tell.
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Reply #43 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:31am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:44am:
Isn't it great waking up now knowing that Trump is in charge now after his landslide win.

Everything seems so much better and brighter, people are rejoicing and the future is so bright.

I have never seen the world so happy.


Perhaps your distance from the United States will insulate you from the grim consequences of his policies.

The erosion of healthcare, the gutting of social security, rising costs of living, suppressed wages, rampant inflation, soaring interest rates, and the systematic dismantling of environmental protections. These measures prioritise corporate greed over public health and environmental sustainability, paving the way for a more precarious and unhealthy existence for all in the US.

It’s unfortunate, really, you truly deserve to experience the harsh reality of what you so ardently support.


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:25am:
The policies he's announced for his next term all paint the long-term picture that I've described.




None of this happened under Trump 1.0 and none of these are his policies for Trump 2.0 and none of this will happen.



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Reply #44 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:46am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:31am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:44am:
Isn't it great waking up now knowing that Trump is in charge now after his landslide win.

Everything seems so much better and brighter, people are rejoicing and the future is so bright.

I have never seen the world so happy.


Perhaps your distance from the United States will insulate you from the grim consequences of his policies.

The erosion of healthcare, the gutting of social security, rising costs of living, suppressed wages, rampant inflation, soaring interest rates, and the systematic dismantling of environmental protections. These measures prioritise corporate greed over public health and environmental sustainability, paving the way for a more precarious and unhealthy existence for all in the US.

It’s unfortunate, really, you truly deserve to experience the harsh reality of what you so ardently support.

None of this was planned or happened under Trump 1.0 and none of these are his policies for Trump 2.0 and none of this will happen.


It all starts with his blanket tariffs.

Blanket tariffs, which are not carefully crafted to protect specific local industries, have generally proven ineffective. Research and historical examples demonstrate that blanket tariffs lead to higher costs for consumers, retaliatory measures from trade partners, and disruptions in global supply chains. These tariffs can also harm domestic industries reliant on imported materials, as well as sectors targeted by retaliatory tariffs.

This then drives up inflation and, in turn, interest rates.

Trump, a Republican President in a Republican-controlled House and Senate, is unlikely to implement anything but trickle-down measures to address this when, knowing his inability to admit fault, it will already be too late.

Will they take any support measures that directly assist the people who will be impacted the most by the negative outcomes of his policies?  No, of course not.

Trickle-down baybeee!

They'll resort to cutting regulations to benefit the big end of town, resulting in fewer protections for workers and the environment, all to save costs.

Once the Nasdaq and overall stock market look good, even if people have less access to healthcare (an estimated 2.3 million lost their healthcare in his first term as a direct result of his policies), are earning less, and suffering under worse employment conditions, the job's done from Trump's point of view.

The people don't matter as long as he has good stock market numbers to point to when he's talking to the press on the way to his helicopter.

If you want to talk about Trump's first term, that's exactly where I'm drawing this playbook from.

Trump's focus on the stock market overlooked the broader economic conditions faced by many Americans, such as wage stagnation, job insecurity, and rising healthcare costs. The stock market primarily benefits those who own stocks, which is a smaller, wealthier segment of the population. As a result, gains in the stock market did not necessarily translate to improved living conditions for all Americans.

The Trump administration's policies, including tax cuts and deregulation, aimed at stimulating economic growth and benefiting businesses, which in turn were expected to create jobs and boost the economy. However, the benefits of these policies were unevenly distributed, leading to criticism that the administration was more concerned with stock market performance than addressing the economic challenges faced by everyday Americans.

Combine that attitude with a fully Republican-controlled House and Senate, and the recklessness of blanket tariffs, and how is what I've described not simply inevitable?

Well?
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