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Reply #45 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:49am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:25am:
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:30am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Leroy wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Perhaps your distance from the United States will insulate you from the grim consequences of his policies.

The erosion of healthcare, the gutting of social security, rising costs of living, suppressed wages, rampant inflation, soaring interest rates, and the systematic dismantling of environmental protections. These measures prioritise corporate greed over public health and environmental sustainability, paving the way for a more precarious and unhealthy existence for all in the US.

It’s unfortunate, really, you truly deserve to experience the harsh reality of what you so ardently support.


Yeah I'm going to enjoy the next four years, you can live in yours.

Yeah I know Trump is Hitler and he going to gas immigrants and kill babies and eat kittens and double dip his chips.


There is no bigger white flag than someone rewriting what was said to them to a version they can more easily dismiss, allowing them to completely dodge what was actually said to them.


Trump was president for four years from 2016 to 2020 and he did not erode health care, he did not gut social social security, he reduced costs of living, increased wages,  lowered  inflation, reduced soaring interest rates, decreased unemployment and improved living conditions for all Americans.

We all know that, we all seen that, you can't change history.

There is no bigger red flag than someone who ignores the truth.


But now you're changing the goalposts.

The policies he's announced for his next term all paint the long-term picture that I've described.

You're changing the goalposts to look backwards, and in a stunning red flag of your own, are choosing to ignore all the risks to what he's saying he will do.

Perhaps like many other things, he's simply lying and in reality won't be as reckless and extreme as he's claiming he wants to be.

Only time will tell.


Trump won in 2016, we were told this was going to mean unemployment, collapsed economy, end of healthcare, Trump was controlled by Putin, Trump was going to start WW3, and on and on it went.

Nothing happened, the economy improved, unemployment went down, healthcare improved, no wars started.

Its the same now, Trump wins and the economy is going to crash, unemployment is going to rise, Trump is going to start WW3, Putin has been replaced by Hitler.

People are not falling for it this time, can you even acknowledge the similarities from last and why this tactic is viewed with suspicion.
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Reply #46 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:51am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 9:22pm:
Waking up = woke.



woke is dead my friend

it died at the 2024 election

the swinging voters were found not to have cared much about inflation and the economy.

their number 1 issue was the lefts attack on culture, the trans issues, the DEI issues

woke cost the left the election

its stone cold , dead in the water

teenage girls are running protests over trans in bathrooms
footballers are refusing to wear the pride rainbow colours
the NFL are openly doing the trump dance as a touchdown celebration.
JK Rowling is no longer hailed a a transphobe, she is now hailed as a hero
ayan herhii ali is being welcomed into a leftie think tank after being shamed as an islamophobe
the surgical treatment of girls under 18 is now banned across europe after some horrific stories of double mastectomies being performed on 13 yo"s.

woke is over

even the leftie elite can see the writing on the wall

they will probably throw the trans issue under the bus
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Reply #47 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:54am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:46am:
It all starts with his blanket tariffs.

Blanket tariffs, which are not carefully crafted to protect specific local industries, have generally proven ineffective. Research and historical examples demonstrate that blanket tariffs lead to higher costs for consumers, retaliatory measures from trade partners, and disruptions in global supply chains. These tariffs can also harm domestic industries reliant on imported materials, as well as sectors targeted by retaliatory tariffs.

This then drives up inflation and, in turn, interest rates.

Trump, a Republican President in a Republican-controlled House and Senate, is unlikely to implement anything but trickle-down measures to address this when, knowing his inability to admit fault, it will already be too late.

Will they take any support measures that directly assist the people who will be impacted the most by the negative outcomes of his policies?  No, of course not.

Trickle-down baybeee!

They'll resort to cutting regulations to benefit the big end of town, resulting in fewer protections for workers and the environment, all to save costs.

Once the Nasdaq and overall stock market look good, even if people have less access to healthcare (an estimated 2.3 million lost their healthcare in his first term as a direct result of his policies), are earning less, and suffering under worse employment conditions, the job's done from Trump's point of view.

The people don't matter as long as he has good stock market numbers to point to when he's talking to the press on the way to his helicopter.

If you want to talk about Trump's first term, that's exactly where I'm drawing this playbook from.

Trump's focus on the stock market overlooked the broader economic conditions faced by many Americans, such as wage stagnation, job insecurity, and rising healthcare costs. The stock market primarily benefits those who own stocks, which is a smaller, wealthier segment of the population. As a result, gains in the stock market did not necessarily translate to improved living conditions for all Americans.

The Trump administration's policies, including tax cuts and deregulation, aimed at stimulating economic growth and benefiting businesses, which in turn were expected to create jobs and boost the economy. However, the benefits of these policies were unevenly distributed, leading to criticism that the administration was more concerned with stock market performance than addressing the economic challenges faced by everyday Americans.

Combine that attitude with a fully Republican-controlled House and Senate, and the recklessness of blanket tariffs, and how is what I've described not simply inevitable?

Well?


Biden has gone backwards with his carefully crafted tariffs, you don't crack walnuts with a feather duster.
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Reply #48 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:44pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:54am:
Biden has gone backwards with his carefully crafted tariffs, you don't crack walnuts with a feather duster.


I've let your other statements go unchecked, but you're going to need to provide a little more info on this claim, especially after you're claiming healthcare was improved under Trump, when 2.3 million lost their healthcare as a direct result of his policies.  That's another of your claims that should have been questioned.
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Reply #49 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:47pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:44pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:54am:
Biden has gone backwards with his carefully crafted tariffs, you don't crack walnuts with a feather duster.


I've let your other statements go unchecked, but you're going to need to provide a little more info on this claim, especially after you're claiming healthcare was improved under Trump, when 2.3 million lost their healthcare as a direct result of his policies.  That's another of your claims that should have been questioned.


We differ on opinions, knock yourself out posting your evidence of your claims.
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Reply #50 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:44pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:54am:
Biden has gone backwards with his carefully crafted tariffs, you don't crack walnuts with a feather duster.


I've let your other statements go unchecked, but you're going to need to provide a little more info on this claim, especially after you're claiming healthcare was improved under Trump, when 2.3 million lost their healthcare as a direct result of his policies.  That's another of your claims that should have been questioned.


We differ on opinions, knock yourself out posting your evidence of your claims.


Interesting, so I'll take that as a refusal.
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Reply #51 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:13pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
We differ on opinions



opinions don't matter, only facts ... something you are totally oblivious to
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Reply #52 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:20pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:09pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:44pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:54am:
Biden has gone backwards with his carefully crafted tariffs, you don't crack walnuts with a feather duster.


I've let your other statements go unchecked, but you're going to need to provide a little more info on this claim, especially after you're claiming healthcare was improved under Trump, when 2.3 million lost their healthcare as a direct result of his policies.  That's another of your claims that should have been questioned.


We differ on opinions, knock yourself out posting your evidence of your claims.


Interesting, so I'll take that as a refusal.


And white flag.

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Reply #53 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:55pm
 
November 2024

The Biden administration will double tariffs on certain solar panel components that are made in China, it announced Wednesday.

Starting in January, imports of Chinese solar wafers and polysilicon will carry a 50 percent tariff, up from the current levy of 25 percent. Polysilicon is a type of silicon that is used to make solar panels, while wafers are the semiconductors used in the panels.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5035684-biden-administration-incre...


So Biden makes renewable energy more expensive for Americans? Is that the carefully calibrated aim here?
Mais non!  Climate action and jobs, as the press release breathlessly claims.

When you bozos talk of Trump tarriffs, it is ALWAYS ONLY about consumer price. When Biden does it, it's everything else but price increase.






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Reply #54 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:59pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
November 2024

The Biden administration will double tariffs on certain solar panel components that are made in China, it announced Wednesday.

Starting in January, imports of Chinese solar wafers and polysilicon will carry a 50 percent tariff, up from the current levy of 25 percent. Polysilicon is a type of silicon that is used to make solar panels, while wafers are the semiconductors used in the panels.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5035684-biden-administration-incre...


So Biden makes renewable energy more expensive for Americans? Is that the carefully calibrated aim here?
Mais non!  Climate action and jobs, as the press release breathlessly claims.


There’s quite a lot to unpack here, Frank. First and foremost, it appears that, once again, you’re skimming headlines in search of a mic-drop moment, without realising that what you’ve shared actually reinforces my argument.

From your own post:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
The Biden administration will double tariffs on certain solar panel components that are made in China


Right off the bat, these are not indiscriminate tariffs akin to those imposed by 45, but rather targeted measures focusing on specific solar panel components. So already the risks of 45's plan including raising inflation, interest rates and a push closer to a recession do not apply.

Delving into the rationale behind this decision reveals a comprehensive strategy by his administration. This approach encompasses protective measures, investment incentives from the Inflation Reduction Act and other sources, and efforts to expand the domestic industry, all aligning with his broader agenda to foster the growth of Green jobs.

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“The tariff increases announced today will further blunt the harmful policies and practices by the People’s Republic of China,” US Trade representative Katherine Tai said in a statement.

“These actions will complement the domestic investments made under the Biden-Harris Administration to promote a clean energy economy, while increasing the resilience of critical supply chains.”

Moreover, the administration has identified that forced labour is employed in the production of Chinese polysilicon.


Your concern about higher costs for imported components, ultimately passed on to the consumer, is entirely valid.

But mate, that's precisely been my point about 45. Consumers will be incentivised to purchase domestically produced goods from industries that the Biden administration has spent years cultivating as part of his vision for a Green economy.

But what happens if there are no local alternatives? Consumers would indeed face higher costs, which is why this policy was meticulously focused on specific components rather than indiscriminate blanket tariffs.

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When you bozos talk of Trump tarriffs, it is ALWAYS ONLY about consumer price. When Biden does it, it's everything else but price increase.


Surely, by now, the distinction is glaring.

45’s tariffs are not targeted at particular sectors or industries. Instead, if his rhetoric is to be believed, they’re intended as sweeping measures imposed on all imports from China, Mexico, and Canada.

This approach would affect an enormous range of goods for which local alternatives don’t exist or rely heavily on tariffed components in their supply chains.

Furthermore, there’s no evidence of a strategic, long-term plan to build robust local industries over several years in preparation for such tariffs. Instead, 45 has declared his intent to implement them immediately upon taking office.

And what does he plan to do with the revenue generated?

Will it be reinvested into programs to alleviate the burden on consumers facing an already crushing global cost-of-living crisis?

Of course not.

He’ll perpetuate the lie that China is footing the bill, mischaracterising tariffs as a "tax on China," and divert the funds towards tax cuts for the wealthy.

Again, that’s assuming he’s not simply lying, which, given his track record, is a generous assumption.

Do you finally grasp the distinction between these two approaches? Can you see the difference yet?
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Reply #55 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 3:47pm
 
What is a product that the US cannot produce itself or get from another country with a less unfair trade practice than China?




KRISTEN WELKER:

But how do you make sure that consumers don’t wind up paying more? Will you punish CEOs who try to pass the cost of tariffs on to their customers?

PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

Well, the market’s going to take care of it. I mean, actually, the market takes care of it. And if it doesn’t, we adjust it somewhat. But in the case of Whirlpool or, let’s say, companies that made washing machines, they were all being put out of business by the dumping from, in particular, South Korea and China. And when I put the tariffs on, very substantial tariffs — although peanuts compared to what people do to us, what countries do to us — it became a very, very powerful, successful company. Now, let’s say I didn’t do the tariffs, it would’ve gone out of business. You would’ve lost tens of thousands of jobs. And you don’t include that in your equation. No, they make a lot of money. I’ll go a step further. Tariffs are going to make our country rich. Tariffs are going to help us pay off $35 trillion in debt. Tariffs are going to make our country safe because China, as an example, doesn’t want to play games with us if we’re going to do tariffs on them. They don’t want to play games. And we have a lot of games being played on us right now.
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The US industrial capacity is second to none. It is not Australia or NZ.
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Reply #56 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 4:09pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:59pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1733528672/53#53 date=1733975732]

Do you finally grasp the distinction between these two approaches? Can you see the difference yet?


You are fighting a losing battle.

He will never understand.
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Reply #57 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 4:24pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 4:09pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:59pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1733528672/53#53 date=1733975732]

Do you finally grasp the distinction between these two approaches? Can you see the difference yet?


You are fighting a losing battle.

He will never understand.


Given the self-own with the link he posted, I'm guessing he's actively choosing not to at this point.
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Reply #58 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 4:49pm
 
SK and Peccary can't admit that their Leftism, woke, Media attempt at politics is still part of the World's political and military problems.
Germany and the Confederacy are done and dusted.
Now the Leftism holds on via France and the Democrats.
But the cracks are showing and they're getting desperate.
They'll be gone from politics too soon. Suicide is painless in their political correctness of perfection beyond being human at all.
Finally the Left will run to Italy in Europe and the Media in America as their last stand.
But they will finally fail there too.

You're both just Lefty LOSERS who can't admit defeat, even when you lose and keep losing.😆😂🤣
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Reply #59 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 4:51pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 4:09pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:59pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1733528672/53#53 date=1733975732]

Do you finally grasp the distinction between these two approaches? Can you see the difference yet?


You are fighting a losing battle.

He will never understand.


Given the self-own with the link he posted, I'm guessing he's actively choosing not to at this point.

Nonsense.

You drone on ad on like a Granuiad editorial.  I showed qyou what Trump actually said and Biden actually did.

I also pointed out that the US is not dependent on China on any industrial product.

But carry on about expensive socks and other doomsday scenarios.
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