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Reply #30 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 2:55pm:
You're also forgetting that it was the Axis powers who declared war on the United States first.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Hitler declared war on America on 11 December 1941, for Germany was an ally of Japan.
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Reply #31 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:40am:
Yep -
did you know Roosevelt promised not to enter the war in the previous election?


Of course he did! He was a politician.

He had to contend with a pacifist and isolationist Congress representing an overwhelmingly popular isolationist public.

But when the US is attacked, a US president has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, not the people or individuals.



yes - it's here - only 1 year before - Nov  1940 -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt,_third_and_fou...

Roosevelt promised that,
"Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."
Roosevelt won the 1940 election with 55% of the popular vote and
almost 85% of the electoral vote (449 to 82).

The US was attacked by a foreign power. As the US president, Roosevelt was bound by his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

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Reply #32 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:39pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm:
The US was attacked by a foreign power. As the US president, Roosevelt was bound by his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.




And I'm glad he did or we'd all be speaking Japanese by now.

Australia was defenceless.
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Reply #33 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:04pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:39pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm:
The US was attacked by a foreign power. As the US president, Roosevelt was bound by his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.




And I'm glad he did or we'd all be speaking Japanese by now.

Australia was defenceless.

Yep, but he didn't do it to save Australians from the Japanese...

Australia just happened to be the top spot for a launching pad.
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Reply #34 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:50pm
 
Australia was convenient as a "launching pad".  It was never in any danger though.  The Japanese were a bunch of fools who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.  Australia was simply too far from Japan and it's bases and the Japanese couldn't organise themselves against Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #35 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:50pm:
Australia was convenient as a "launching pad".  It was never in any danger though.  The Japanese were a bunch of fools who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.  Australia was simply too far from Japan and it's bases and the Japanese couldn't organise themselves against Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian - you know nothing:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Darwin


The two Japanese air raids were the first, and largest,
of more than 100 air raids against Australia during 1942–1943.
The event happened just four days after the Fall of Singapore,
when a combined Commonwealth force surrendered to the Japanese,
the largest surrender in British history.


The Bombing of Darwin, also known as the Battle of Darwin,[4] on 19 February 1942 was the largest single attack ever mounted by a foreign power on Australia.[5] On that day, 242 Japanese aircraft, in two separate raids, attacked the town, ships in Darwin Harbour and the town's two airfields in an attempt to prevent the Allies from using them as bases to contest the invasion of Timor and Java during World War II.

Darwin was lightly defended relative to the size of the attack, and the Japanese inflicted heavy losses upon Allied forces at little cost to themselves. The urban areas of Darwin also suffered some damage from the raids and there were a number of civilian casualties. More than half of Darwin's civilian population left the area permanently, before or immediately after the attack.[6][
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Reply #36 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:50pm:
Australia was convenient as a "launching pad".  It was never in any danger though.  The Japanese were a bunch of fools who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.  Australia was simply too far from Japan and it's bases and the Japanese couldn't organise themselves against Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

They got pretty good at mass slaughter, but...

And, who knows... Had they not drawn the US into the war as early as they did, their advance south of Asia may have been viable and effective.
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Reply #37 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:20pm
 
The Japanese plan was to isolate Australia while forming a defensive ring - AustNZed were never under threat of direct invasion.

The 'island hopping strategy' to break the defensive ring along a vulnerable path was the optimum choice, along with the incredible success of the US submarine campaign.  Burma, China and New Guinea North were essentially holding actions and cost a lot of casualties for not much real gain, and re-taking the Philippines, though a humanitarian necessity, was a costly side show.

I've often wondered what the result would have been from carpet bombing Iwo Jima with napalm... not to mention carpet bombing the island with the radar station north of Iwo that cost so many lives, nearly including George Bush (Snr) ... one of the very few Allied Naval airmen rescued after being shot down there in an awful approach to target.
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Reply #38 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:22pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 4:50pm:
Australia was convenient as a "launching pad".  It was never in any danger though.  The Japanese were a bunch of fools who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.  Australia was simply too far from Japan and it's bases and the Japanese couldn't organise themselves against Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian - you know nothing:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Darwin


The two Japanese air raids were the first, and largest,
of more than 100 air raids against Australia during 1942–1943.
The event happened just four days after the Fall of Singapore,
when a combined Commonwealth force surrendered to the Japanese,
the largest surrender in British history.


The Bombing of Darwin, also known as the Battle of Darwin,[4] on 19 February 1942 was the largest single attack ever mounted by a foreign power on Australia.[5] On that day, 242 Japanese aircraft, in two separate raids, attacked the town, ships in Darwin Harbour and the town's two airfields in an attempt to prevent the Allies from using them as bases to contest the invasion of Timor and Java during World War II.

Darwin was lightly defended relative to the size of the attack, and the Japanese inflicted heavy losses upon Allied forces at little cost to themselves. The urban areas of Darwin also suffered some damage from the raids and there were a number of civilian casualties. More than half of Darwin's civilian population left the area permanently, before or immediately after the attack.[6][


Darwin was a pinprick, Bobby.  It had essentially a null effect on how the war was conducted and it simply showed how unprepared we were for a Japanese attack.  It joined all the other attacks at Broome, Sydney, Newcastle, Cooktown, as a waste of time and resources.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:25pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:20pm:
The Japanese plan was to isolate Australia while forming a defensive ring - AustNZed were never under threat of direct invasion.

You can only believe that through the prism of knowing of Japan's having drawn the US into war in 1941.

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Reply #40 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:26pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:20pm:
The Japanese plan was to isolate Australia while forming a defensive ring - AustNZed were never under threat of direct invasion.


The Japanese plan was a WOFTAM.  It would fail to achieve that isolation.  You simply cannot isolate Australia, it's too big and it can be approached from the south with ease. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:22pm:
Darwin was a pinprick, Bobby.  It had essentially a null effect on how the war was conducted and it simply showed how unprepared we were for a Japanese attack.  It joined all the other attacks at Broome, Sydney, Newcastle, Cooktown, as a waste of time and resources.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



pin prick?

nonsense - it was part of over 100 major attacks.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #42 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:41pm
 
The British-Australians at Singapore were incompetent compared with Japan who did the Burma rail.  But the Oz did a very nice salute to welcome honourable Japanese general. (Poms had just lost 2 battleships ruling the waves).
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Reply #43 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 7:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:22pm:
Darwin was a pinprick, Bobby.  It had essentially a null effect on how the war was conducted and it simply showed how unprepared we were for a Japanese attack.  It joined all the other attacks at Broome, Sydney, Newcastle, Cooktown, as a waste of time and resources.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


pin prick?

nonsense - it was part of over 100 major attacks.   Roll Eyes


What affect did it have on the strategy of how the war was conducted?  Any, at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - Dec 9th, 2024 at 7:50pm
 
The Japanese, like the Nazis, were morons. Like Bbwian. They believed in themselves DESPITE all indications to the contrary.

And here is Bbwian, talking rubbish DESPITE all indications that he is a moron.

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