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Reply #150 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 10:56am

Peter Dutton is pitching his $331bn nuclear power policy to Australians, declaring the Coalition has a plan that is “going to keep the lights on”.

Speaking after the Coalition released the costs on its nuclear policy, the Opposition Leader said the approach would be more affordable, lower emissions and “deliver a plan today which will get the energy mix right”.

Mr Dutton attacked Labor’s criticism that the policy is dangerous, arguing that Anthony Albanese had signed off on nuclear submarines being allowed into the country under the AUKUS agreement.

“This will make electricity reliable, it will make it more consistent, cheaper, for Australians and it will help us decarbonise as a trading economy as we must,” Mr Dutton said.

“The fact is we can deliver a plan which is going to keep the lights on and we have a plan and a vision for our country which will help grow businesses not close them down.

“As is currently happening under this government, I know there are many Australians at the moment, 560 a week, families going onto payment plans or experiencing hardship.

“When it comes to paying electricity bills under the Albanese government.

“The most tragic part is it is going to get much worse if Mr Albanese is elected, particularly in a minority government situation and what we’ve looked at is the experience of every developed country around the world.”

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Reply #151 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 11:02am

John Smith wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:27am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 9:18pm:

3:55 am this morning Western Australian power demand was 2355Mw

Solar output 0%
Wind output 4.07%

not even enough to keep the street lights on or supply hospitals.

They have 638Mw of wind turbines but could only get 58Mw

They have 1,362Mw of solar and could get nothing from them

combined total of 2,000Mw of renewables and all they could produce was 58Mw.

your source?

or are you going to run away again?

Well if you bothered to read my posts you would see that I included a link to the information.

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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 762 Gender:	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #152 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 11:28am Well John have you read the information of have you run away?.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42029	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #153 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 2:06pm The devil in the detail of Dutton's nuclear costings
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Reply #154 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 2:10pm

Australia’s federal opposition has announced that, if elected, it would look to introduce nuclear power generation into Australia’s energy mix, alongside renewables and other sources of energy, as part of its plan to achieve net zero emissions by 2050. This would involve first overturning a moratorium on nuclear energy generation in Australia.

Public opinion towards nuclear power in Australia has shifted over time. This year, in response to a new question, six in ten Australians

(61%) say they ‘somewhat’ or ‘strongly’ support Australia using nuclear power to generate electricity

, while a significant minority (37%) ‘somewhat’ or ‘strongly’ oppose it. Those who ‘strongly support’ nuclear power generation (27%) outnumber those who ‘strongly oppose’ it (17%).

https://poll.lowyinstitute.org/charts/australia-using-nuclear-power-to-generate-...

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10432 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #155 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 2:28pm Poll added. "Do you support or oppose Australia using nuclear power to generate electricity, alongside other sources of energy?"
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Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables
Reply #156 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 3:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 8:43pm:

Guess what blows 24 hours a day, Soren? The wind. Funny that, it nicely complements the sun as a power source.

So where exactly does it blow 24 hours a day? Windy Harbour?

It only complements solar if it is generating electricity. Not when there is not enough wind, not under high winds when they have to feather them. Grin

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:36pm:

The point is that there is always sun, somewhere.

That only means you need PV's everywhere. You are a first class wally. Grin

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:36pm:

Even with the sun obscured by cloud, the coud cover is not so complete that a solar panel does not produce some power.

So is some power enough power? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:36pm:

Leroy or rather Soren and you maintain that it doesn't produce any power.

Oh dear just can't stop himself lying. Grin

lee wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 5:47pm:

" Solar panels may generate between 10% and 25% of their normal output on cloudy days."

https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/what-happens-to-solar-power-when...

May but then again maybe not. Wink

Just a lying troll. Grin

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42029	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #157 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:26pm Dutton's nuclear plan a 'heroic', cherrypicked 'recipe for higher energy bills', experts say
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48852 Gender:	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #158 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:29pm Brian is a Troll
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17816 Gender:	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #159 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:30pm oh, An economist? He must be a whiz at nuclear.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42029	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #160 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:51pm Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you just give up when the news is bad, Lee. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables
Reply #161 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you just give up when the news is bad, Lee.

Oh dearie dearie me. You haven't heard William Nordhaus, the father of the 2C, now the bureaucrats 1.5C. He was an economist. So tell us what he knows about climate change? The same applies to economists on nuclear. Grin

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Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables
Reply #162 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:32pm

lee wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you just give up when the news is bad, Lee.

Oh dearie dearie me. You haven't heard William Nordhaus, the father of the 2C, now the bureaucrats 1.5C. He was an economist. So tell us what he knows about climate change? The same applies to economists on nuclear. Grin

No, no, Lee, it is your story, why don't you tell us? Afterall, I am not an economist but you seem to understand the dark art better than anything I could posit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42029	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #163 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:38am What can we actually learn from the Coalition's nuclear power modelling?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42029	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #164 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:44am The Coalition is playing voters for mugs once again with its nuclear costings - poor, poor, Lee. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Question: Do you support or oppose using Nuclear power in Australia?
Strongly Support 9 (60.0%) Somewhat Support 1 (6.7%) Strongly Oppose 2 (13.3%) Somewhat Oppose 2 (13.3%) Don't know 1 (6.7%) Total votes: 15 « Created by: Captain Nemo on: Dec 13^th, 2024 at 2:28pm »