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Reply #180 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Lee, what should we do about Climate Change? Nothing?

It hasn't shown itself to be harmful, and even beneficial. Wink

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Build super-expensive nuclear generators and hang the costs 'cause they fit into your pro-mining rationale?

The source of materials for the renewables is mining, and more will be needed. Does that make me PRO-mining? Grin

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Or should we shut everything down?

That's where it is headed with renewables. They don't have enough energy density. Unlike your general density. Wink

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

What a shame that people who take a longer view than you can see the dangers in that.

So where will this electrical energy come from to back up renewables? According to the AEMO it will be gas, a fossil fuel. Wink

tsk tsk.

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Reply #182 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:54pm

Belgarion wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Hands up anyone who has been anywhere near a nuclear reactor, or has any idea how one works...I'll wait.

I haven't been near one but in the early years of my career I took part in training for nuclear power stations as it was in preparation for Australia developing Nuclear power in 82-83. 6 of us did the training but nothing ever came from it. It tied in with our work so it was a good experience.

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Reply #183 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Lee, what should we do about Climate Change? Nothing? Anything at all? Build super-expensive nuclear generators and hang the costs 'cause they fit into your pro-mining rationale? Or should we shut everything down? All these questions and no answers it seems except for pro-nuclear power generation. What a shame that people who take a longer view than you can see the dangers in that. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian, there is nothing we can do about climate change. It is an inevitable change in human history that no amount of environmentalism can prevent. Nor should we. What we can do is minimise the amount of pollution that gets released into the atmosphere. Nuclear energy is one such source of reducing pollutants into the atmosphere.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84856 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #184 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 5:34am Belgarion wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:39pm: Hands up anyone who has been anywhere near a nuclear reactor, or has any idea how one works...I'll wait. I've been to Lucas Heights and I know how they work. Can't say I'm up on every technical detail of modern ones ...
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Reply #185 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:19pm

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Lee, what should we do about Climate Change? Nothing?

It hasn't shown itself to be harmful, and even beneficial. Wink

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, where do you live, Lee? Antarctica? We have witnessed the climate changing markedly in the last 10 years, a change you refuse to admit to. The rest of us has noticed it, even if you refuse to admit to it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #186 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 1:53pm

Why can’t we simply agree on a renewable path and begin building nuclear back up?

Why must it be either one or the other?
As we move forward too a big Australia we cannot ever have enough power for electricity.

I live here too, I experience flooding and fires and cyclone.

All these natural events always have a significant impact on essential services.

I believe we should be building both renewable energy and nuclear energy.

I don’t understand the argument it must be only one???

We should hedge our bet!

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Reply #187 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:30pm

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Why can’t we simply agree on a renewable path and begin building nuclear back up?

Why must it be either one or the other?
As we move forward too a big Australia we cannot ever have enough power for electricity.

I live here too, I experience flooding and fires and cyclone.

All these natural events always have a significant impact on essential services.

I believe we should be building both renewable energy and nuclear energy.

I don’t understand the argument it must be only one???

We should hedge our bet!

Our bet would cost billions of dollars more if we built nuclear power stations. A renewable bet would cost billions of dollars less. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #188 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 6:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, where do you live, Lee? Antarctica? We have witnessed the climate changing markedly in the last 10 years, a change you refuse to admit to.

According to the WMO climate is an average of 30 years weather. What you are talking about is just that. Weather. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

The rest of us has noticed it, even if you refuse to admit to it.

But the rest of you are denser than lead. Roll Eyes

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Reply #189 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:30pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Why can’t we simply agree on a renewable path and begin building nuclear back up?

Why must it be either one or the other?
As we move forward too a big Australia we cannot ever have enough power for electricity.

I live here too, I experience flooding and fires and cyclone.

All these natural events always have a significant impact on essential services.

I believe we should be building both renewable energy and nuclear energy.

I don’t understand the argument it must be only one???

We should hedge our bet!

Our bet would cost billions of dollars more if we built nuclear power stations. A renewable bet would cost billions of dollars less. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Our bet is you don't know if your nappy is full or empty.
Tsk, tsk, Roll Eyes

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Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables
Reply #190 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:30pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Why can’t we simply agree on a renewable path and begin building nuclear back up?

Why must it be either one or the other?
As we move forward too a big Australia we cannot ever have enough power for electricity.

I live here too, I experience flooding and fires and cyclone.

All these natural events always have a significant impact on essential services.

I believe we should be building both renewable energy and nuclear energy.

I don’t understand the argument it must be only one???

We should hedge our bet!

Our bet would cost billions of dollars more if we built nuclear power stations. A renewable bet would cost billions of dollars less. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

This is the problem with the anti-nuclear argument. I heard Bowen saying the other day that Dutton's nuclear plan would cause grid overload during peak solar generation times and force home owners to have their solar panels turned off to stop the grid overloading with nuclear power also providing power. He was shown by an expert just how stupid he really is when the expert point blank shot Bowen down by saying that nuclear power generation can be reduced at such times in order to ensure there is no grid overload. The same cannot be said for solar, as panels need to be turned off to avoid grid overload. Nuclear provides the grid with great flexibility, whereas solar does not as the sun does not always shine! In short, Bowen is a moron who I wouldn't trust to run a piss up in a bar.

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Reply #191 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:44am

The nuclear power stations won't overload the power grid. This is not a matter of Command and Conquer where they build nuclear power plants and the power output shoots through the roof.

If you are not entitled to power, you won't get the power supplied to you.

Nearly 10 years ago, we were without power for 2 weeks. It is not like the electricity companies would allow fallen power lines to keep providing power, just because some people's homes were not badly damaged.

The issue here is to have power supplied that is less likely to be polluting than coal fired power plants. Nuclear energy does just that.

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Reply #193 - Jan 13^th, 2025 at 7:58am

Belgarion wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Hands up anyone who has been anywhere near a nuclear reactor, or has any idea how one works...I'll wait.

I have .. and the security alone is ridiculous. Multiple armed guards, 24hrs a day, 7 days a week.

Now multiply that by the number of reactors and waste storage sites, and the 1000yrs needed to store the waste Cheesy

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Reply #194 - Jan 13^th, 2025 at 12:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:37pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Lee, what should we do about Climate Change? Nothing? Anything at all? Build super-expensive nuclear generators and hang the costs 'cause they fit into your pro-mining rationale? Or should we shut everything down? All these questions and no answers it seems except for pro-nuclear power generation. What a shame that people who take a longer view than you can see the dangers in that. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The climate of the earth has been changing ever since it existed.

Man has never been able to control the climate/weather or natural events caused by the natural cyclic operations (winds, rain, tides, currents, volcanic activity etc) of the earth.

The people you speak of aren't taking the longer view ... they are just anti everything except what drives their stupid AGW/Climate alarmist agenda.

Net Zero emissions is an unattainable pipe dream & thinking that renewables will supply all ours & industries power needs is another farcical pipe dream.

And the real costs of the renewables have not honestly been put forward.

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Question: Do you support or oppose using Nuclear power in Australia?
Strongly Support 9 (60.0%) Somewhat Support 1 (6.7%) Strongly Oppose 2 (13.3%) Somewhat Oppose 2 (13.3%) Don't know 1 (6.7%) Total votes: 15 « Created by: Captain Nemo on: Dec 13^th, 2024 at 2:28pm »