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Reply #240 - Yesterday at 4:08pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:46pm:

I agree with your figures. It is relatively low. Compared to the capital expenditure.

I didn't provide figures. You asked for costs. I have admitted I don't have any. I guess you don't either. That makes you merely making more deflection by question. So sad for you. Cry

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Reply #242 - Yesterday at 6:48pm

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 1:04pm:

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How much energy do batteries supply?

Depends on the size of the battery.

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For how long?

Until it is used.

Your turn:

How long is a piece of string?

I think I know what it feels like to be in the LNP's electricity strategy committee.

You couldn't even answer a straight question.

The 1st battery that Sth Australia had courtesy of the Elon Musk propaganda .... lasted about 10 or 15 mins when it was called on.

They are not much better now.

And these giant battery banks that would be required to make any significant input for any decent registerable input time wise are super expensive.

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Reply #243 - Yesterday at 6:50pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 2:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

How much energy do batteries supply? For how long?

Please explain.

Batteries are a short gap solution, WA has spent 2.8Bil on a battery storage of 2000mw/h. This can give you 2000Mw's of power for 1 hour. On the WA grid that would last about 1.5 hours and then the batteries are flat and will need recharging. They will be used to try and even out the load on the grid.

For example on hot days when the load is very high they can discharge 20% of the batteries to decrease the load on other assets. Batteries do not produce electricity they only store it. You have to have the capacity to charge the batteries and there are losses of efficiency when you transfer the energy to the batteries and when you discharge the batteries. Battery life is very short and will need replacement within 10 years.

That just proves it's a waste of taxpayers money.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29742 Gender:	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #245 - Yesterday at 6:53pm John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:23pm: Leroy wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:17pm: over 40-50 years it will be much cheaper to have nuclear. Only if you don't include costs of storing waste for the next 500yrs or build costs crap The amount of waste is minimal.
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Reply #246 - Yesterday at 6:57pm

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:38pm:

lee wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

lee wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 2:28pm:

False. Renewables need new transmission lines because they are not where the electricity is needed.

Where do you think most of our solar panels are? Antarctica?

Where do you think they are? Ringwood? Canterbury?

Out in the desert so they are out of sight out of mind?

I think they are right where they are needed. You can even put them in the CBD if you want.

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but over 40-50 years it will be much cheaper to have nuclear.

What about the next 100000 years that you need to safely store the radioactive waste for?

Renewables are cheaper, even if you ignore the waste storage dilemma.

Do the clapped out wind turbines, their blades & the shagged solar panels take up less space in storing them by burying them in huge landfills compare to holes deep in the earth o bury a few canisters?

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Reply #247 - Yesterday at 7:01pm

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:42pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:17pm:

over 40-50 years it will be much cheaper to have nuclear.

Only if you don't include costs of storing waste for the next 500yrs or build costs Cheesy

crap

If you want to be sensible we can have a discussion but if you are just going to be obstinate on a topic you are not familiar with then its pointless.

Are you saying that the costs are irrelevant to a discussion of the costs?

Do you work for the LNP by any chance?

Leroy wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:42pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:38pm:

I think they are right where they are needed. You can even put them in the CBD if you want.

If you put the solar panels in the CBD what will you use for power at night?.

You mean when everyone goes home?

What a wanker you are FD Grin

Most big cities run 24/7 they never shut down & not everyone goes home.

You might spend every night snuggled up under your bunny rug sucking your dummy ... but other people are out there working shift work ....

just so you can live ... you prig.

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Reply #249 - Yesterday at 7:07pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 9:27am:

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And that's just the capital cost. Maintenance etc has to be added.

What maintenance do you do on a battery?

You're a moron pretending to have some sort of intelligence.

Everything including batteries require maintenance.

Makes me embarrassed to say I've given several donations to help keep this site afloat.

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Reply #250 - Yesterday at 7:09pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 10:24am:

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 10:02am:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 10:01am:

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They have to be monitored 24hrs a day

So what, you pay someone to stand there watching the battery?

No normally it would be two, worksafe practices with high voltage is a minimum of two.

Just to stand there watching it?

Do you think this is what the LNP is assuming with their costs, while assuming it costs nothing to store radioactive nuclear waste for a few hundred thousand years?

See how little you actually know yet you go on making an imbecile of yourself.

Have another cup of Green kool aid.

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Reply #251 - Yesterday at 7:12pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 12:03pm:

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Its called firewatch, you can't just install batteries and leave them. Security is also another issue, they will need 24hr security services

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Unlike radioactive waste with nuclear weapons potential being stored for 100000 years?

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You know if they did need to use the batteries which are limited to about an hours use a day

No wonder the LNP went down this garden path. Some people actually believe it.

Hey dickhead - he's talking about your babies ... batteries ... not nuclear.

You making suck an obvious cockhead of yourself has made me feel so much better.

Seen any Walruses climbing vertical cliffs lately?

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Reply #252 - Yesterday at 7:14pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 12:46pm:

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You have never heard of a battery failing?

Sure. I throw it out and replace it. I wouldn't call it maintenance though.

You have no clue at all what this "battery maintenance" actually costs, do you?

Batteries would be the lowest maintenance item in the whole system. It would not take much to incorporate everyone's wall mounted battery and car battery into the system, with little or no extra capital expenditure and no maintenance cost. Plus all of our hydro systems are better than batteries.

What are "all our hydro systems"?

You're not half as smart as you think you are.... & it shows.

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Reply #253 - Yesterday at 7:23pm

Meanwhile Albo plays the fiddle while Australia risks blackouts:

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Reply #254 - Yesterday at 7:30pm

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 7:14pm:

What are "all our hydro systems"?

More to the point how many are pumped?

Hydro generally - "While there are more than 120 power stations currently operating in Australia, most have a relatively modest output. We’ve listed all of the operational hydropower plants in the country with a capacity of over 50MW in alphabetical order:"

https://www.canstarblue.com.au/electricity/hydro-power-australia/#plants

"However, according to a case study by the Melbourne Energy Institute, the Pumped-storage generating capacity in Australia is around 1.5 GW even though no new large-scale PSH plant has been installed over the past 30 years."

https://pumpedhydro.com.au/education/pumped-storage-hydropower-in-australia/

I guess that limits completed pumped storage somewhat. Wink

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