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Reply #255 - Yesterday at 9:37pm

lee wrote Yesterday at 7:30pm:

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 7:14pm:

What are "all our hydro systems"?

More to the point how many are pumped?

Hydro generally - "While there are more than 120 power stations currently operating in Australia, most have a relatively modest output. We’ve listed all of the operational hydropower plants in the country with a capacity of over 50MW in alphabetical order:"

https://www.canstarblue.com.au/electricity/hydro-power-australia/#plants

"However, according to a case study by the Melbourne Energy Institute, the Pumped-storage generating capacity in Australia is around 1.5 GW even though no new large-scale PSH plant has been installed over the past 30 years."

https://pumpedhydro.com.au/education/pumped-storage-hydropower-in-australia/

I guess that limits completed pumped storage somewhat. Wink

Snowy Hydro 2 started by Turnbull:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/12/snowy-20-malcolm-turnbull...

But it has come to a halt.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/12/snowy-hydro-drilling-conf...

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Reply #256 - Yesterday at 9:38pm

Meanwhile Albo plays the fiddle while Australia risks blackouts:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/01/13/aussie-government-abc-struggles-to-explai...

Aussie Government ABC Struggles to Explain High Energy Prices

7 hours ago Eric Worrall 47 Comments

Essay by Eric Worrall

“… Australia has a wealth of coal and gas resources as well as renewable energy, so why are energy costs so high …”

Rich in resources, but Australia’s energy costs have tripled and manufacturers are hurting

…

“[The US is] pro-manufacturing, they’ve got cheap energy, they’ve got good gas supply and reserves. It’s one of the most attractive markets to invest today,” he said.

Mr Gandhi said one solution to the problem in Australia is to increase the supply of gas.

But it is already too late for many Australian manufacturers.

“If you start investing today it takes three to 10 years to bring on new gas resources … [and] manufacturers won’t survive [that long],” he said.

…

Plastics manufacturer Qenos went into administration last year blaming the lack of a reliable supply of gas and rising costs.

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Reply #257 - Today at 5:37am

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 9:37pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 7:30pm:

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 7:14pm:

What are "all our hydro systems"?

More to the point how many are pumped?

Hydro generally - "While there are more than 120 power stations currently operating in Australia, most have a relatively modest output. We’ve listed all of the operational hydropower plants in the country with a capacity of over 50MW in alphabetical order:"

https://www.canstarblue.com.au/electricity/hydro-power-australia/#plants

"However, according to a case study by the Melbourne Energy Institute, the Pumped-storage generating capacity in Australia is around 1.5 GW even though no new large-scale PSH plant has been installed over the past 30 years."

https://pumpedhydro.com.au/education/pumped-storage-hydropower-in-australia/

I guess that limits completed pumped storage somewhat. Wink

Snowy Hydro 2 started by Turnbull:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/12/snowy-20-malcolm-turnbull...

But it has come to a halt.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/12/snowy-hydro-drilling-conf...

So the 'Snowy Superpump' is .... you know .... designed to combat the flow problems of the Snowy and fix the downstream problems with the Murray Darling Basin? Is that how it works?

And let's not forget that here in The Fabled Land of Oz we have a 'water pricing' system in place that not only gives the biggest bidders and any parasite 'agricultural industry' the green light but happens to throw a few lazy bill to a lazy government... kinda like California - where the same thing is the end result - a couple of super fat, cashed up (on paper anyway) groups end up 'owning' all the water - the (gasps) 'traditional owners' - the farmers and such who used to just suck some up for free as it passed by on its natural course - dry up and blow away in the economic winds of conquest by (gasps) cashed-up foreigners - and we buy our fruit etc from..... (gasps) .... California The Desiccated Dead Zone of SuperFires Unchallenged By Water Stocks In The Hands of One Parasite Capitalist Family Who Bought The State Government .... while the Murray-Darling Salinity Problems remain and expand.

Yeah - that sounds like a plan... Roll Eyes

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Reply #258 - Today at 6:39am

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:17pm:

over 40-50 years it will be much cheaper to have nuclear.

Only if you don't include costs of storing waste for the next 500yrs or build costs Cheesy

crap

The amount of waste is minimal.

it still has to be stored and safeguarded against for the next 500 yrs. Or do you think they can just dump it down an unused mine shaft and forget about it? Cheesy

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Reply #259 - Today at 6:43am

John Smith wrote Today at 6:39am:

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 4:17pm:

over 40-50 years it will be much cheaper to have nuclear.

Only if you don't include costs of storing waste for the next 500yrs or build costs Cheesy

crap

The amount of waste is minimal.

it still has to be stored and safeguarded against for the next 500 yrs. Or do you think they can just dump it down an unused mine shaft and forget about it? Cheesy

500 years?

Nuclear waste takes forever to decay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste

Some common nuclear waste half lives:

Plutonium 239 half life    24,110 years.
Americium 241 half life       432 years
Radium 226    Half life    1,600 years
Uranium 236 Half life 15 million years.
Plutonium 244 Half life 80 million years
Uranium 235 Half life 704 million years
Uranium 238 half life    4.5 billion years

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74740 Gender:	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #260 - Today at 6:47am Bobby. wrote Today at 6:43am: 500 years? I was being generous to the idiots claiming waste isn't an issue
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105556 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Nuclear Power To Cost Twice As Much As Renewables Reply #261 - Today at 6:51am John Smith wrote Today at 6:47am: Bobby. wrote Today at 6:43am: 500 years? I was being generous to the idiots claiming waste isn't an issue Well yes - there is no way we can safely store nuclear waste for 10s of millions of years.
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Reply #262 - Today at 6:52am

Bobby. wrote Today at 6:51am:

John Smith wrote Today at 6:47am:

Bobby. wrote Today at 6:43am:

500 years?

I was being generous to the idiots claiming waste isn't an issue

Well yes - there is no way we can safely store nuclear waste for 10s of millions of years.

and yet you're pro nuclear

like I always say, you are an idiot Cheesy

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Reply #263 - Today at 7:08am

John Smith wrote Today at 6:52am:

Bobby. wrote Today at 6:51am:

John Smith wrote Today at 6:47am:

Bobby. wrote Today at 6:43am:

500 years?

I was being generous to the idiots claiming waste isn't an issue

Well yes - there is no way we can safely store nuclear waste for 10s of millions of years.

and yet you're pro nuclear

like I always say, you are an idiot Cheesy

You drongo - I have supported Thorium reactors -
totally different and they eat nuclear waste for breakfast.

here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1519823686/0#0

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Reply #264 - Today at 7:17am

Ah - Grasshoppers... radioactive deposits exist now...... that's where the stuff is stored for millions of years already......... so if it is dropped down deep mine shafts it is being relocated to a safer place, no? The overall amount of radiation does not grow - its concentration in specified points does, and if those specified points are deep below ground the radiation does not escape short of a massive upheaval.

So - what created deposits in the first place? Upheavals.. aha, you say - proof of ancient civilisations beyond the Pillars of Rockhampton/Hercules etc (hear me O Critias), which civilisations once held the keys to nuclear power..... all vanished and gone in a single day and night of fire and flood...

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Reply #265 - Today at 7:22am

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Reply #266 - Today at 7:25am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote Today at 7:17am:

Ah - Grasshoppers... radioactive deposits exist now...... that's where the stuff is stored for millions of years already......... so if it is dropped down deep mine shafts it is being relocated to a safer place, no? The overall amount of radiation does not grow - its concentration in specified points does, and if those specified points are deep below ground the radiation does not escape short of a massive upheaval.

So - what created deposits in the first place? Upheavals.. aha, you say - proof of ancient civilisations beyond the Pillars of Rockhampton/Hercules etc (hear me O Critias), which civilisations once held the keys to nuclear power..... all vanished and gone in a single day and night of fire and flood...

There are certain rock formations that are very geologically stable
for the storage of nuclear waste and we have some in Australia.
It's expensive though - it needs to be stored about 1km deep in solid rock
that is NOT connected to any water table.

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Reply #268 - Today at 7:45am

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 12:03pm:

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Its called firewatch, you can't just install batteries and leave them. Security is also another issue, they will need 24hr security services

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Unlike radioactive waste with nuclear weapons potential being stored for 100000 years?

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You know if they did need to use the batteries which are limited to about an hours use a day

No wonder the LNP went down this garden path. Some people actually believe it.

Hey dickhead - he's talking about your babies ... batteries ... not nuclear.

You making suck an obvious cockhead of yourself has made me feel so much better.

Seen any Walruses climbing vertical cliffs lately?

Do you actually believe that you can only use a battery for one hour a day?

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Question: Do you support or oppose using Nuclear power in Australia?
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