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Reply #45 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:37pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

I don't care if nuclear power costs twice as much as renewables.

I want 24/7 electricity and you either go with gas or coal to firm the supply or you go nuclear.

Which one out of nuclear; gas; coal has zero CO₂ emissions ?

A "little man" once said "the jury is still out on climate change and global warming" and on getting our energy mix right we should "let the market decide"

Well, the market HAS decided - and given the the whole "nuclear thing" the big THUMBS DOWN.

The set-up and construction costs begin at a "humble" ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY BILLION DOLLARS

$120,000,000,000.00

With "the market" refusing to get involved,
Dutton has already indicated

"my government" will be taking the socialist route - with his dream plants owned and paid for by "we, the people"

Not all at once, of course, but built in as a levy on the cost over the life of each plant - estimated to average around 30 years.
Not forgetting the 30-year-long levy on every watt of electricity created and supplied - to fund the disposal of nucleas waste.

If you add on the usual cost blowouts on any government project. the probable cost on completion would be closer to ...

$240,000,000,000.00

... and if we all live long enough, we may see the first light bulb fired - sometime after 2040

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I'm not going to dispute your figures but I do dispute what has happened. The market has spoken but only after it was given false and misleading information to get the result required. If the public were given the honest and real truth they may still reject nuclear power but at least the decision was made knowing the real state of electrical supply.

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Reply #47 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:10pm

Has the cost of storing Nuclear waste for centuries been taken into account....Australia cannot even dispose of it's current Nuclear waste....Labor have sold out Australia by agreeing to take US and UK n=Nuclear waste...The Coalition supports Australia becoming the World's Nuclear waste dump!!!

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ARPANSA received 165 public submissions concerning this licence application, many concerned over the lack of public information concerning the scope of the application, community impact and decision-making. The Albanese Labor government is currently in the process of seeking to pass legislation that can make anywhere in Australia a nuclear waste dumping ground with no public consultation or First Nations consent. The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 also allows for the US and the UK to dump high-level nuclear waste in Australia.

https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/radioactive-waste-storage-licence-granted...

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Reply #48 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:29pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Has the cost of storing Nuclear waste for centuries been taken into account....Australia cannot even dispose of it's current Nuclear waste....Labor have sold out Australia by agreeing to take US and UK n=Nuclear waste...The Coalition supports Australia becoming the World's Nuclear waste dump!!!

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ARPANSA received 165 public submissions concerning this licence application, many concerned over the lack of public information concerning the scope of the application, community impact and decision-making. The Albanese Labor government is currently in the process of seeking to pass legislation that can make anywhere in Australia a nuclear waste dumping ground with no public consultation or First Nations consent. The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 also allows for the US and the UK to dump high-level nuclear waste in Australia.

https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/radioactive-waste-storage-licence-granted...

Could store it with the waste from the nuclear subs.

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Reply #49 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:50pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:29pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Has the cost of storing Nuclear waste for centuries been taken into account....Australia cannot even dispose of it's current Nuclear waste....Labor have sold out Australia by agreeing to take US and UK n=Nuclear waste...The Coalition supports Australia becoming the World's Nuclear waste dump!!!

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ARPANSA received 165 public submissions concerning this licence application, many concerned over the lack of public information concerning the scope of the application, community impact and decision-making. The Albanese Labor government is currently in the process of seeking to pass legislation that can make anywhere in Australia a nuclear waste dumping ground with no public consultation or First Nations consent. The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 also allows for the US and the UK to dump high-level nuclear waste in Australia.

https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/radioactive-waste-storage-licence-granted...

Could store it with the waste from the nuclear subs.

So you have no problem with Australia becoming a Nuclear Waste dump for foreign waste....Australia cannot even find a storage solution for it's current low and medium level Nuclear Waste....How much will it cost and were will the dumps be located....What Ports, rail and road infrastructure will be affected....Local, Community support and engagement has been ruled out as not required....I can see a lot of community opposition once the locations are revealed....Not in my back yard???

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Reply #50 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:58pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

So you have no problem with Australia becoming a Nuclear Waste dump for foreign waste....Australia cannot even find a storage solution for it's current low and medium level Nuclear Waste....How much will it cost and were will the dumps be located....What Ports, rail and road infrastructure will be affected....Local, Community support and engagement has been ruled out as not required....I can see a lot of community opposition once the locations are revealed....Not in my back yard???

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I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.

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Reply #51 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:05pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

So you have no problem with Australia becoming a Nuclear Waste dump for foreign waste....Australia cannot even find a storage solution for it's current low and medium level Nuclear Waste....How much will it cost and were will the dumps be located....What Ports, rail and road infrastructure will be affected....Local, Community support and engagement has been ruled out as not required....I can see a lot of community opposition once the locations are revealed....Not in my back yard???

Roll Eyes

I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.

What could go wrong???

Roll Eyes

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Reply #52 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:07pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

So you have no problem with Australia becoming a Nuclear Waste dump for foreign waste....Australia cannot even find a storage solution for it's current low and medium level Nuclear Waste....How much will it cost and were will the dumps be located....What Ports, rail and road infrastructure will be affected....Local, Community support and engagement has been ruled out as not required....I can see a lot of community opposition once the locations are revealed....Not in my back yard???

Roll Eyes

I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.

What could go wrong???

Roll Eyes

Its going to happen, just a kilo or two here and there.

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Reply #53 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:13pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:07pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

So you have no problem with Australia becoming a Nuclear Waste dump for foreign waste....Australia cannot even find a storage solution for it's current low and medium level Nuclear Waste....How much will it cost and were will the dumps be located....What Ports, rail and road infrastructure will be affected....Local, Community support and engagement has been ruled out as not required....I can see a lot of community opposition once the locations are revealed....Not in my back yard???

Roll Eyes

I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.

What could go wrong???

Roll Eyes

Its going to happen, just a kilo or two here and there.

A rocket ship bound for nowhere with a couple of kilos of nuclear waste does not sound like a cost effective or safe option!!!

Huh

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Reply #54 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:15pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:29pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Has the cost of storing Nuclear waste for centuries been taken into account....Australia cannot even dispose of it's current Nuclear waste....Labor have sold out Australia by agreeing to take US and UK n=Nuclear waste...The Coalition supports Australia becoming the World's Nuclear waste dump!!!

Quote:

ARPANSA received 165 public submissions concerning this licence application, many concerned over the lack of public information concerning the scope of the application, community impact and decision-making. The Albanese Labor government is currently in the process of seeking to pass legislation that can make anywhere in Australia a nuclear waste dumping ground with no public consultation or First Nations consent. The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 also allows for the US and the UK to dump high-level nuclear waste in Australia.

https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/radioactive-waste-storage-licence-granted...

Could store it with the waste from the nuclear subs.

So you have no problem with Australia becoming a Nuclear Waste dump for foreign waste....Australia cannot even find a storage solution for it's current low and medium level Nuclear Waste....How much will it cost and were will the dumps be located....What Ports, rail and road infrastructure will be affected....Local, Community support and engagement has been ruled out as not required....I can see a lot of community opposition once the locations are revealed....Not in my back yard???

Roll Eyes

We have to come up with sites for the AUKUS sub nuclear waste and that will most likely be on Commonwealth military land sites.

Not a big deal.

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Reply #55 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:16pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:13pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:07pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

So you have no problem with Australia becoming a Nuclear Waste dump for foreign waste....Australia cannot even find a storage solution for it's current low and medium level Nuclear Waste....How much will it cost and were will the dumps be located....What Ports, rail and road infrastructure will be affected....Local, Community support and engagement has been ruled out as not required....I can see a lot of community opposition once the locations are revealed....Not in my back yard???

Roll Eyes

I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.

What could go wrong???

Roll Eyes

Its going to happen, just a kilo or two here and there.

A rocket ship bound for nowhere with a couple of kilos of nuclear waste does not sound like a cost effective or safe option!!!

Huh

There is no safe option. Airplanes crash all the time but people still line up to get on them.

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Reply #56 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:29pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:16pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:13pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:07pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

So you have no problem with Australia becoming a Nuclear Waste dump for foreign waste....Australia cannot even find a storage solution for it's current low and medium level Nuclear Waste....How much will it cost and were will the dumps be located....What Ports, rail and road infrastructure will be affected....Local, Community support and engagement has been ruled out as not required....I can see a lot of community opposition once the locations are revealed....Not in my back yard???

Roll Eyes

I think eventually Musk will make a few more billions loading rockets with nuclear waste and sending them off into space.

What could go wrong???

Roll Eyes

Its going to happen, just a kilo or two here and there.

A rocket ship bound for nowhere with a couple of kilos of nuclear waste does not sound like a cost effective or safe option!!!

Huh

There is no safe option. Airplanes crash all the time but people still line up to get on them.

How much would it cost to send a couple of kilos of nuclear waste into space using a rocket ship....Not to mention the risk if something goes wrong....The proposal is ridiculous and I doubt anyone accept you has suggested it....Can you support your claim Musk is considering this stupidity???

Huh

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