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Question: Do you support or oppose using Nuclear power in Australia?

Strongly Support    
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Strongly Oppose    
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Somewhat Oppose    
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Total votes: 15
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Reply #90 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 9:00pm
 
None of the Luddites can explain why AnAl and co. are right and the 32 nations using or developing nuclear power are wrong.  Grin
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Reply #91 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 9:37pm
 
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Belgarion, you really want the near impossible from everybody don't you. Tell us what, how about you explain why these developing countries are willing to invest billions of dollars (which they really don't have) in nuclear energy when more developed countries aren't?  I look forward to your response.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #92 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 9:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 9:37pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Belgarion, you really want the near impossible from everybody don't you. Tell us what, how about you explain why these developing countries are willing to invest billions of dollars (which they really don't have) in nuclear energy when more developed countries aren't?  I look forward to your response.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


In Asia there are about 145 operable nuclear power reactors, about 45 under construction and firm plans to build an additional 50-60. Many more are proposed.


There are seven nuclear power reactors in operation in Latin America: three in Argentina, two in Brazil and two in Mexico



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Reply #93 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:20pm
 
Doesn't spud want to build one on s faultline that's had four earthquakes over 4 on Richter scale ? He also wants SMRs and currently only China who can't stand liberals and Russia have operational examples ... so we're told ... Shocked
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Reply #94 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:05pm
 
Labor majority government wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:20pm:
Doesn't spud want to build one on s faultline that's had four earthquakes over 4 on Richter scale ? He also wants SMRs and currently only China who can't stand liberals and Russia have operational examples ... so we're told ... Shocked



They can be built to withstand earthquakes. The technology is decades old.

"Diablo Canyon (Nuclear) Power Plant, located in San Luis Obispo County California, was originally designed to withstand a 6.75 magnitude earthquake from four faults, including the nearby San Andreas Fault and Hosgri Fault,[1] but was later upgraded to withstand a 7.5 magnitude quake.[2] It has redundant seismic monitoring and a safety system designed to shut it down promptly in the event of significant ground motion. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Canyon_earthquake_vulnerability
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Reply #95 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:40pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:09pm:
Can you provide the links to the articles you posted Lee....The report is almost 30 years old???


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/24/a-history-of-dr-ben-santer-and-his-ipcc-t...

[url=https://iowaclimate.org/2022/03/25/can-we-trust-the-science/]https://iowacl...

https://friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/Seitz-A_Major_Deception_on_Global_...


https://journals.ametsoc.org/downloadpdf/view/journals/bams/78/1/1520-0477-78_1_...

It also appeared in the Wall Street Journal.

And hasn't been updated. Climate Attribution Studies excepted, aka computer modelling. Roll Eyes

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/

Wow. Summary for Policymakers. The bureaucrats who don't have any special attributes except be policy wonks. The 1.5C and the 2C before it were from economists or bureaucrats. 

"William Nordhaus, an economist at Yale was the first corporate shrill to suggest that 2C was both achievable and safe."

https://kevinhester.live/2016/06/05/the-myth-of-2c-being-safe-and-achievable/

The Paris Agreement parties set 2C but agreed to try for 1.5C. So the 1.5C is not written in stone. In fact nothing about Paris Agreement is written in stone.

"However, the understanding has led to prominent experts to argue the Paris accord is not a legally binding document after all.
The power of the Paris Agreement in fact relies on a fluid agreement about the consequences for violating an international agreement, one not precisely defined."

"Yet the treaty itself has few legal teeth. It does not impose penalties, such as fees or embargos, for parties that violate its terms, and there is no international court or governing body ready to enforce compliance. That has prompted some prominent experts to argue the Paris accord is not a legally binding document after all."

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2021/11/paris-climate-agreement-legally-binding/

So a so-called legally binding document has no teeth. It is feel good bs. Roll Eyes
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Reply #96 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 7:42am
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:40pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:09pm:
Can you provide the links to the articles you posted Lee....The report is almost 30 years old???


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/24/a-history-of-dr-ben-santer-and-his-ipcc-t...

[url=https://iowaclimate.org/2022/03/25/can-we-trust-the-science/]https://iowacl...

https://friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/Seitz-A_Major_Deception_on_Global_...


https://journals.ametsoc.org/downloadpdf/view/journals/bams/78/1/1520-0477-78_1_...

It also appeared in the Wall Street Journal.

And hasn't been updated. Climate Attribution Studies excepted, aka computer modelling. Roll Eyes

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/

Wow. Summary for Policymakers. The bureaucrats who don't have any special attributes except be policy wonks. The 1.5C and the 2C before it were from economists or bureaucrats. 

"William Nordhaus, an economist at Yale was the first corporate shrill to suggest that 2C was both achievable and safe."

https://kevinhester.live/2016/06/05/the-myth-of-2c-being-safe-and-achievable/

The Paris Agreement parties set 2C but agreed to try for 1.5C. So the 1.5C is not written in stone. In fact nothing about Paris Agreement is written in stone.

"However, the understanding has led to prominent experts to argue the Paris accord is not a legally binding document after all.
The power of the Paris Agreement in fact relies on a fluid agreement about the consequences for violating an international agreement, one not precisely defined."

"Yet the treaty itself has few legal teeth. It does not impose penalties, such as fees or embargos, for parties that violate its terms, and there is no international court or governing body ready to enforce compliance. That has prompted some prominent experts to argue the Paris accord is not a legally binding document after all."

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2021/11/paris-climate-agreement-legally-binding/

So a so-called legally binding document has no teeth. It is feel good bs. Roll Eyes


Half the links you posted do not work and the others are either 30 years old or worthless like you....So global warming is crap and the world is not warming according to Lee!!!

Why do we need to worry about heat waves shutting down Nuclear Reactors when the world is not warming and the heat is being exagerated by Governmnets and scientific institutions to make money....We cannot trust science that claims the world is warming....There is no evidence according to Lee so why bother....The whole thing is bullshit according to Lee so keep the light on and run that AC full tilt....She will be right mate???

Debate over....Lee wins!!!

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Reply #97 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:07am
 
If climate change is bullshit as Lee claims....Why do we need to build expensive radioactive Nuclear reactors at all....We can keep using coal and gas which is safer and cheaper....Dutton is selling us a lie that we do not need because global warming is a load of crap hey Lee....No to Nuclear and more gas and coal will do the job....Why waste money on Nuclear when it is not needed and we have so much gas and coal???

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https://theconversation.com/the-thinking-error-that-makes-people-susceptible-to-...

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Reply #98 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:23am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:07am:
If climate change is bullshit as Lee claims....Why do we need to build expensive radioactive Nuclear reactors at all....We can keep using coal and gas which is safer and cheaper....Dutton is selling us a lie that we do not need because global warming is a load of crap hey Lee....No to Nuclear and more gas and coal will do the job....Why waste money on Nuclear when it is not needed and we have so much gas and coal???

Smiley Smiley Smiley

https://theconversation.com/the-thinking-error-that-makes-people-susceptible-to-...



By the time Australia phases out its remaining 24 coal power stations China will have built another 200 coal fired power stations.
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Reply #99 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:37am
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:23am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:07am:
If climate change is bullshit as Lee claims....Why do we need to build expensive radioactive Nuclear reactors at all....We can keep using coal and gas which is safer and cheaper....Dutton is selling us a lie that we do not need because global warming is a load of crap hey Lee....No to Nuclear and more gas and coal will do the job....Why waste money on Nuclear when it is not needed and we have so much gas and coal???

Smiley Smiley Smiley

https://theconversation.com/the-thinking-error-that-makes-people-susceptible-to-...



By the time Australia phases out its remaining 24 coal power stations China will have built another 200 coal fired power stations.


Exactly....So why are we going with the expensive Nuclear option when we can just build more coal and gas generation....Dutton is selling Australia out by opting for the most expensive power supply based on a Global Warming lie....We should be following the Chinese example and stick with coal and gas....Australia is so small we add very little to the hoax of Global Warming so why does Dutton want to build Nuclear....What a waste of time and money....Fossil fuel is safe and reliable???

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Reply #100 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:43am
 
Indeed.

Australia is so small that we make very little difference to global warming by continuing to use gas and coal instead of going nuclear.

Especially compared to China.
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Reply #101 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:48am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:37am:
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:23am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:07am:
If climate change is bullshit as Lee claims....Why do we need to build expensive radioactive Nuclear reactors at all....We can keep using coal and gas which is safer and cheaper....Dutton is selling us a lie that we do not need because global warming is a load of crap hey Lee....No to Nuclear and more gas and coal will do the job....Why waste money on Nuclear when it is not needed and we have so much gas and coal???

Smiley Smiley Smiley

https://theconversation.com/the-thinking-error-that-makes-people-susceptible-to-...



By the time Australia phases out its remaining 24 coal power stations China will have built another 200 coal fired power stations.


Exactly....So why are we going with the expensive Nuclear option when we can just build more coal and gas generation....Dutton is selling Australia out by opting for the most expensive power supply based on a Global Warming lie....We should be following the Chinese example and stick with coal and gas....Australia is so small we add very little to the hoax of Global Warming so why does Dutton want to build Nuclear....What a waste of time and money....Fossil fuel is safe and reliable???

Wink Wink Wink


Nuclear is cheaper

Nuclear reactors can be up to 10,000mw, but 1,000 units would be more sensible for Australia.

Perth for instance has a peak load of around 3000mw so three reactors would be sufficient for Western Australia.

The largest coal plant in WA is 330mw. Wind turbines are less than 10 mw.

When it comes to stability and reliability you get what you pay for.
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Reply #102 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 10:28am
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:05pm:
They can be built to withstand earthquakes. The technology is decades old.



Didn't help Fukishima Roll Eyes
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Reply #103 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 10:30am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:37am:
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:23am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:07am:
If climate change is bullshit as Lee claims....Why do we need to build expensive radioactive Nuclear reactors at all....We can keep using coal and gas which is safer and cheaper....Dutton is selling us a lie that we do not need because global warming is a load of crap hey Lee....No to Nuclear and more gas and coal will do the job....Why waste money on Nuclear when it is not needed and we have so much gas and coal???

Smiley Smiley Smiley

https://theconversation.com/the-thinking-error-that-makes-people-susceptible-to-...



By the time Australia phases out its remaining 24 coal power stations China will have built another 200 coal fired power stations.


Exactly....So why are we going with the expensive Nuclear option when we can just build more coal and gas generation....Dutton is selling Australia out by opting for the most expensive power supply based on a Global Warming lie....We should be following the Chinese example and stick with coal and gas....Australia is so small we add very little to the hoax of Global Warming so why does Dutton want to build Nuclear....What a waste of time and money....Fossil fuel is safe and reliable???

Wink Wink Wink


You'd have a coronary - along with the Greens, Teals and Gretas - if anyone said so.

Nuclear was introduced decades before the AGW political scare took hold. It is not polluting the air, unlike brown coal, and the world has uranium reserves that would supply clean reliable energy much longer than coal and oil. That is why nuclear was introduced and that is why it remains a viable option.

But it is not as easily and flexibly portable as fossil fuels. You can't have it in your car or truck or rooftop but can have it in an aircraft carrier or submarine.

It is a good option to have in the energy mix, together with hydro. AUSTRALIA should have a lot more hydro power, alas the blue banded bee dreaming won't allow it. Or is it the fat arsed wombat dreaming - I forget.


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Reply #104 - Dec 12th, 2024 at 10:33am
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 8:48am:
Nuclear is cheaper



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