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Reply #180 - Dec 15th, 2024 at 6:24pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 2:44pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:14am:
I wonder, have any of those congratulating Dutton stopped to think what the impact may be on Aboriginal youth crime?

Doubt it.

Scrap that. I'm certain they haven't.

Absolute zero.



Then you don't understand Aboriginal youth anger ... which, like, is the causal root of the crimes.

But hey, no surprises.

The root cause of most of the crime is greed backed up by a sense of entitlement that has no connection to the work ethic.

How many Aboriginal people do you know?
How many have invited you to get togethers at the local Bora grounds?
How many Aboriginal people have invited you in to their home?
How many Aboriginal people have been your hunting buddies?
How often have you lived with tribal Aboriginal people and for how long?

Unless you can answer, truthfully to most of the questions above then you should go sparingly on related opinions.


Grin Stick to your Irish ancestry/history.

You know SFA about Bora grounds, Aboriginal homes, hunting buddies and living with tribal Aboriginals.

If you had lived with tribal Aboriginal people you'd know your previous points are irrelevant.
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Reply #181 - Dec 15th, 2024 at 7:08pm
 
Dear Phil - never ever mention the Abortion flag until you dorcs start making a song and corroboree about it and other stuff... you are the very worst enemies of True Aboriginals, constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend, creating enemies of ordinary people with genuine views about helping the Abos, stirring up trouble - just so you can virtue signal about how wonderfully caring you are.

United we stand under one flag..... then the state flags - the rest are footie club flags and will be treated as such... one great mistake was to give this Abortion flag equal billing on the Harbour Bridge - and I will never forgive myself for voting for that.... I considered it a fair measure of courtesy and respect for individuals as people - now it is a rallying cry for the desperadoes at the fringes who imagine they can win a 'war against Whitey'..... and AlboCorpGov are currently siding with those lunatics - and will suffer as a result.

I would not be surprised if Albo and a few others lose their seats.... and for those in the Senatorium - the people have a long memory for traitors.... who should be stripped of their fanciful retirement scheme as well and exiled from the nation.

Wow - this Quiet Revolution is really warming up..... now we have a Two State Solution on the table to satisfy and cater to Aboriginal demands for a separate sovereignty and homeland all their own etc..... the idea of re-introduction of certain old punishments including exile for those born here who prove unworthy ... instant deportation of proven criminals without all this appeal nonsense .... splitting the cumbersome and unnecessarily centrally governed by a small self-appointed out-of-touch elite states up into manageable portions..... the Right of the people to have their vote accepted without further ado .... the Right of the people to say who they want to immigrate here and on what conditions... the concept of Guest Workers instead of immigrants to make up for alleged shortfalls.... the re-taking of National Parks as National on the basis that no part of a National Park is not in use as a national park .... and so forth... extended waiting time for full citizenship, along a graduated path -one major flick-up and you stall for an extra year or so, two and you are Outski  ....


Ol' Grappler-san sure puts those flag waving Gaza useful tools in the shade when it comes to being Revolutionary.... them pricks wouldn't know what day it was.....
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Reply #182 - Dec 15th, 2024 at 7:32pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:14am:
I wonder, have any of those congratulating Dutton stopped to think what the impact may be on Aboriginal youth crime?

Doubt it.

Scrap that. I'm certain they haven't.

Absolute zero.



Then you don't understand Aboriginal youth anger ... which, like, is the causal root of the crimes.

But hey, no surprises.

Give us another one.


Whitey makes Abo kids criminal.
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Reply #183 - Dec 15th, 2024 at 8:14pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 2:44pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:14am:
I wonder, have any of those congratulating Dutton stopped to think what the impact may be on Aboriginal youth crime?

Doubt it.

Scrap that. I'm certain they haven't.

Absolute zero.



Then you don't understand Aboriginal youth anger ... which, like, is the causal root of the crimes.

But hey, no surprises.

The root cause of most of the crime is greed backed up by a sense of entitlement that has no connection to the work ethic.

How many Aboriginal people do you know?
How many have invited you to get togethers at the local Bora grounds?
How many Aboriginal people have invited you in to their home?
How many Aboriginal people have been your hunting buddies?
How often have you lived with tribal Aboriginal people and for how long?

Unless you can answer, truthfully to most of the questions above then you should go sparingly on related opinions.


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How many Aboriginal people do you know?


Currently about 10 - 15 Over the last 30 years 40 plus

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How many have invited you to get togethers at the local Bora grounds?


Plenty of get togethers but not at Bora grounds unless I wasn't aware

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How many Aboriginal people have invited you in to their home?


Around 20

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How many Aboriginal people have been your hunting buddies?


Don't Hunt but played Rugby League with about 40 or so. 3 included in the top question as ongoing current friends.

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How often have you lived with tribal Aboriginal people and for how long?


Never happened.

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #184 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 8:09am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 7:08pm:
Dear Phil - never ever mention the Abortion flag until you dorcs start making a song and corroboree about it and other stuff... you are the very worst enemies of True Aboriginals, constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend, creating enemies of ordinary people with genuine views about helping the Abos, stirring up trouble - just so you can virtue signal about how wonderfully caring you are.



You should have been an abortion ya piece of Crap....You go out of your way to put down and insult Aboriginal People constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend....Just look at the complete racist bullshit you spew on a daily basis you total racist wanker.....You can shove your pathetic opinion up your racist fat arse ya dickhead!!!

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Reply #185 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:17am
 
‘She’s going to die, get off her’: young Indigenous woman viciously assaulted in Katherine

A wave of violence has expanded across the Northern Territory amid calls for emergency measures for Alice Springs to be widened, with bystanders fearing an Indigenous woman would be killed when she was “pounded in the head with a rock”.

The horrific footage, captured in Katherine, three hours south of Darwin, on Saturday reveals the escalating violence that has led federal Labor MP Marion Scrymgour to declare on Sunday that emergency measures need to be widened across the Territory.

It comes as Alice Springs is in the middle of a serious escalation of the crime crisis that has long gripped the NT, after a two-month-old baby was allegedly assaulted by home-invading teens last week who had collectively been charged with almost 300 other offences and bailed 35 times.

That assault, and the alleged rape of a healthcare worker by a 22-year-old last weekend, prompted NT Chief Minister Lia Finocchiaro and police commissioner Michael Murphy to race to the ­region in a police aircraft.

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On Saturday, terrified onlookers were forced to step in in a dramatic attempt to calm the situation in Katherine where women ganged up on each other, leaving one barely conscious on the ground as police arrived.

Terrified witnesses could be heard on the phone to emergency services saying one of the women “is going to die”.

“There is blood everywhere, she is going to die, they’ve used rocks,” one woman could be heard telling emergency services.

“She’s been pounded in the head with a rock.”

One witness later told The Australian the violence and home invasions in the town had escalated recently, and suggested alcohol consumption and a “lack of things to do” were contributing factors.

“It happens every day, mob fights, glassings, bashings, family feuds, stabbing robberies, it’s starting to get out of hand especially when they are fighting at the shops or on streets, being pushed in front of your car, it’s a debate whether you stop for it or call for help and hope someone shows up before someone gets seriously hurt.”

One of the witnesses told The Australian that when police arrived, officers said they were the only unit on shift for the entire town, which has a population of over 10,000.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/shes-going-to-die-get-off-her...


Where are those proud, respected elders, past present and emerging?
Face down in their pizzas.

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #186 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:31am
 
Well - if the States, following on the massive defeat of 'the voice', hadn't pursued a line of Voice By Stealth behind the voters' backs and not set out to implement clearly Apartheid things and push that rubbish on the general populace, and if the Black Dorks hadn't set out upon their threatened Intifada ....... having the artificial flag near the real one would never have become a problem.

Once those idiots made it totally 'one way or the other' - 'us or you' - they lost and will continue to lose.  The people are just champing at the bit to vote Labor governments out.... not necessarily a good thing for the country - but an outstanding thing for Labor.
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Reply #187 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:32am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 8:09am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 7:08pm:
Dear Phil - never ever mention the Abortion flag until you dorcs start making a song and corroboree about it and other stuff... you are the very worst enemies of True Aboriginals, constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend, creating enemies of ordinary people with genuine views about helping the Abos, stirring up trouble - just so you can virtue signal about how wonderfully caring you are.



You should have been an abortion ya piece of Crap....You go out of your way to put down and insult Aboriginal People constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend....Just look at the complete racist bullshit you spew on a daily basis you total racist wanker.....You can shove your pathetic opinion up your racist fat arse ya dickhead!!!

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Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin   If you and you like hadn't started your BS you wouldn't now be getting the response you are getting and will get for the foreseeable future.... just bide your time, big-mouth - it'll all come crashing down around you... the tides have changed and your fortresses are falling one by one...
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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #188 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:00pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 8:14pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 2:44pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:14am:
I wonder, have any of those congratulating Dutton stopped to think what the impact may be on Aboriginal youth crime?

Doubt it.

Scrap that. I'm certain they haven't.

Absolute zero.



Then you don't understand Aboriginal youth anger ... which, like, is the causal root of the crimes.

But hey, no surprises.

The root cause of most of the crime is greed backed up by a sense of entitlement that has no connection to the work ethic.

How many Aboriginal people do you know?
How many have invited you to get togethers at the local Bora grounds?
How many Aboriginal people have invited you in to their home?
How many Aboriginal people have been your hunting buddies?
How often have you lived with tribal Aboriginal people and for how long?

Unless you can answer, truthfully to most of the questions above then you should go sparingly on related opinions.


Quote:
How many Aboriginal people do you know?


Currently about 10 - 15 Over the last 30 years 40 plus

Quote:
How many have invited you to get togethers at the local Bora grounds?


Plenty of get togethers but not at Bora grounds unless I wasn't aware

Quote:
How many Aboriginal people have invited you in to their home?


Around 20

Quote:
How many Aboriginal people have been your hunting buddies?


Don't Hunt but played Rugby League with about 40 or so. 3 included in the top question as ongoing current friends.

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How often have you lived with tribal Aboriginal people and for how long?


Never happened.


Then you’re way ahead of most Australians and I may be one the last European who had the privilege of knowing truely Tribal people. l was the first ‘’white man’’ that.most of the kids had ever seen [actually I was brown from suntan].
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Reply #189 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:58pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:32am:
If you and you like hadn't started your BS you wouldn't now be getting the response you are getting and will get for the foreseeable future



so racists didn't exist until the minorities started seeking equal rights?
Is that the sort of stupidity you are peddling these days?
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Reply #190 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 8:37pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 2:44pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:14am:
I wonder, have any of those congratulating Dutton stopped to think what the impact may be on Aboriginal youth crime?

Doubt it.

Scrap that. I'm certain they haven't.

Absolute zero.



Then you don't understand Aboriginal youth anger ... which, like, is the causal root of the crimes.

But hey, no surprises.

The root cause of most of the crime is greed backed up by a sense of entitlement that has no connection to the work ethic.

How many Aboriginal people do you know?
How many have invited you to get togethers at the local Bora grounds?
How many Aboriginal people have invited you in to their home?
How many Aboriginal people have been your hunting buddies?
How often have you lived with tribal Aboriginal people and for how long?

Unless you can answer, truthfully to most of the questions above then you should go sparingly on related opinions.


Grin Stick to your Irish ancestry/history.

You know SFA about Bora grounds, Aboriginal homes, hunting buddies and living with tribal Aboriginals.

If you had lived with tribal Aboriginal people you'd know your previous points are irrelevant.

Which previous points do you refer to?
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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #191 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:47am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:32am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 8:09am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 7:08pm:
Dear Phil - never ever mention the Abortion flag until you dorcs start making a song and corroboree about it and other stuff... you are the very worst enemies of True Aboriginals, constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend, creating enemies of ordinary people with genuine views about helping the Abos, stirring up trouble - just so you can virtue signal about how wonderfully caring you are.



You should have been an abortion ya piece of Crap....You go out of your way to put down and insult Aboriginal People constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend....Just look at the complete racist bullshit you spew on a daily basis you total racist wanker.....You can shove your pathetic opinion up your racist fat arse ya dickhead!!!

Grin Grin Grin




Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin   If you and you like hadn't started your BS you wouldn't now be getting the response you are getting and will get for the foreseeable future.... just bide your time, big-mouth - it'll all come crashing down around you... the tides have changed and your fortresses are falling one by one...


Who gives a crap about your racist bullshit....Unless you can somehow change the Native Title Act you are just showing your ignorance to how the law works....Aboriginal People do not need your approval or permission to fly their flag or keep you off their lands ya fat arsehole....You ignorance is laughable and Native Title aint going away ya smacking dickhead!!!

Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #192 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:21am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:17am:
‘She’s going to die, get off her’: young Indigenous woman viciously assaulted in Katherine

A wave of violence has expanded across the Northern Territory amid calls for emergency measures for Alice Springs to be widened, with bystanders fearing an Indigenous woman would be killed when she was “pounded in the head with a rock”.

The horrific footage, captured in Katherine, three hours south of Darwin, on Saturday reveals the escalating violence that has led federal Labor MP Marion Scrymgour to declare on Sunday that emergency measures need to be widened across the Territory.

It comes as Alice Springs is in the middle of a serious escalation of the crime crisis that has long gripped the NT, after a two-month-old baby was allegedly assaulted by home-invading teens last week who had collectively been charged with almost 300 other offences and bailed 35 times.

That assault, and the alleged rape of a healthcare worker by a 22-year-old last weekend, prompted NT Chief Minister Lia Finocchiaro and police commissioner Michael Murphy to race to the ­region in a police aircraft.

...
On Saturday, terrified onlookers were forced to step in in a dramatic attempt to calm the situation in Katherine where women ganged up on each other, leaving one barely conscious on the ground as police arrived.

Terrified witnesses could be heard on the phone to emergency services saying one of the women “is going to die”.

“There is blood everywhere, she is going to die, they’ve used rocks,” one woman could be heard telling emergency services.

“She’s been pounded in the head with a rock.”

One witness later told The Australian the violence and home invasions in the town had escalated recently, and suggested alcohol consumption and a “lack of things to do” were contributing factors.

“It happens every day, mob fights, glassings, bashings, family feuds, stabbing robberies, it’s starting to get out of hand especially when they are fighting at the shops or on streets, being pushed in front of your car, it’s a debate whether you stop for it or call for help and hope someone shows up before someone gets seriously hurt.”

One of the witnesses told The Australian that when police arrived, officers said they were the only unit on shift for the entire town, which has a population of over 10,000.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/shes-going-to-die-get-off-her...


Where are those proud, respected elders, past present and emerging?
Face down in their pizzas.




Indeed.

Respected Alice Springs elder Benedict Stevens ‘beat partner with Aboriginal tool’


A respected Alice Springs traditional owner and director of a community organisation tasked with stamping out domestic and youth violence in the crime-­ravaged outback city beat his long-term partner in an alcohol-fuelled assault earlier this year.

Lhere Artepe Aboriginal Corporation chair and Tangentyere Council director Benedict Stevens was handed a six-month suspended sentence in June after pleading guilty to aggravated assault following a violent incident in which he struck his partner in the head with a traditional Aboriginal foraging tool and left a large gash.

Northern Territory Chief Minister Lia Finocchiaro met with Mr Stevens as part of a trip to Alice Springs last week following a huge escalation in violent crime that saw a baby left with a fractured skull after an alleged home invasion and a woman allegedly raped in her sleep.

The Australian understands in the week leading up to pleading guilty, Mr Stevens performed a Welcome to Country for the televised Melbourne v Fremantle AFL game in Alice Springs.

Mr Stevens told The Australian he had changed since the ­assault, and had learned he “shouldn’t be setting a bad ­example to the rest of the town”.

“I said to myself as well: ‘What the hell are you doing, Mr Stevens? You’re the TO (traditional owner) of this town, of Alice Springs. Why setting a bad example to them? You should be leading the way, showing respect to women’,” he said.


Mr Stevens is one of 14 directors at the Tangentyere Council, where he has been involved in domestic violence diversion ­programs.

In the wake of the assault, Mr Stevens volunteered to stand down as the Alice Springs Hospital’s Aboriginal Liaison Officer, he said. He maintains what happened was “an accident”.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/respected-alice-springs-elder...


He remains a 'respected elder'. Still a proud TO.
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Reply #193 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:26am
 
Multiple members of the Alice Springs Indigenous community slammed Mr Stevens for remaining on the Lhere Artepe board despite the incident, and have said it was an “open secret in the black community”.

“Why is somebody with serious domestic violence convictions sitting at the top of the food chain when you’ve got the (police) commissioner and Chief Minister talking about domestic violence in the town?” one person said.

Another said: “The Territory can’t have DV offenders as leaders, we’re a laughing stock.”

Police Commissioner Michael Murphy last week said there had been a huge escalation in crime – including sexual assault, abduction and theft – since December 3.

This included a woman who was allegedly raped by a stranger in her own bed, and a 57-year-old man who was threatened by a gang of teenagers with a tomahawk until he handed over a bottle of whisky.
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Reply #194 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:38am
 
Not to even remotely minimise these instances but we know, Frank. Not a single person is denying it.

What is continued to be denied is the very real, direct and predictable association between family and community violence with endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss.

These similar patterns are reproduced the world over in similar circumstances and mystify absolutely nobody in 2024.

This has been explained to you lot over and over again. And still you don;t get it.

Have you considered reevaluation? I mean, perhaps it might make you happier and less combative.

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