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Reply #195 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 8:48am

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Not to even remotely minimise these instances but we know, Frank. Not a single person is denying it.

What is continued to be denied is the very real, direct and predictable association between family and community violence with endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss.

A respected Alice Springs traditional owner and director of a community organisation tasked with stamping out domestic and youth violence in the crime-ravaged outback city beat his long-term partner in an alcohol-fuelled assault earlier this year.

Asked whether it was appropriate for him to be counselling other men on domestic violence, he said: “Yep.”

“Just letting them know you shouldn’t be doing this,” he said.

Mr Stevens said he was “getting away from alcohol” in light of the incident.

“If you’re drinking alcohol, alcohol caused that problem. It’s all about alcohol … if you stay out of it, you’ll have a good life,” he said. “You’ll love being with your partner. It’s all about that alcohol, that’s all.”

In the wake of the assault, Mr Stevens volunteered to stand down as the Alice Springs Hospital’s Aboriginal Liaison Officer, he said. He maintains what happened was “an accident”.

He doesn't think it was endemic poverty and disadvantage. H ed is an elder, a director, a TO.

He thin kms it was an "accident", ffs. No whitey in such a leadership position could say it was an 'accident" and not be a laughing stock.

But of course even Aborigines realise and recognise this:

Multiple members of the Alice Springs Indigenous community slammed Mr Stevens for remaining on the Lhere Artepe board despite the incident, and have said it was an “open secret in the black community”.

“Why is somebody with serious domestic violence convictions sitting at the top of the food chain when you’ve got the (police) commissioner and Chief Minister talking about domestic violence in the town?” one person said.

Another said: “The Territory can’t have DV offenders as leaders, we’re a laughing stock.”

This case illustrates that the "endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss" hooey is a sinister excuse for getting mighty pissed and clobbering your wife with a stick. Or ALL the other horrendous, vicious cruelty that Aborigines inflict on each other.

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #196 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 8:56am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 7:47am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 8:09am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 7:08pm:

Dear Phil - never ever mention the Abortion flag until you dorcs start making a song and corroboree about it and other stuff... you are the very worst enemies of True Aboriginals, constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend, creating enemies of ordinary people with genuine views about helping the Abos, stirring up trouble - just so you can virtue signal about how wonderfully caring you are.

You should have been an abortion ya piece of Crap....You go out of your way to put down and insult Aboriginal People constantly stirring and agitating as if you have something of value to uphold and defend....Just look at the complete racist bullshit you spew on a daily basis you total racist wanker.....You can shove your pathetic opinion up your racist fat arse ya dickhead!!!

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If you and you like hadn't started your BS you wouldn't now be getting the response you are getting and will get for the foreseeable future.... just bide your time, big-mouth - it'll all come crashing down around you... the tides have changed and your fortresses are falling one by one...

Who gives a crap about your racist bullshit....Unless you can somehow change the Native Title Act you are just showing your ignorance to how the law works....Aboriginal People do not need your approval or permission to fly their flag or keep you off their lands ya fat arsehole....You ignorance is laughable and Native Title aint going away ya smacking dickhead!!!

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Arrgh.. arrgh - you're so fearless and ferocious.... your cause is lost, son... get used to it.

As for Native Title - what are you raving about? Native title offers the privileges of camping out and such and doing traditional things - nowhere does it give the right to stifle access for others to national parks and national icons. That's the mission creep I warned you about - and it will be overturned very shortly - the people have spoken, you racist piece of poo.

They can fly their flag beneath the others that are the real ones.... that's a kind offer to a loser minority, eh? It's not 'their land' under Native Title - they need freehold under Native Lands to get that.... and that is currently a huge problem since the false assumptions persist with the luvvies in power at this time that native title and native lands are the same thing, or are simply optional versions of the same thing at their whim.

They are not... when all the correct changes come about - and Aboriginal groups are accorded SOME land freehold, but not all they think they own now in 2024 - things will be different... you are welcome to move elsewhere at your leisure.

My totally non-racist view - as opposed to your utterly racist one of just handing over the country willy-nilly to a lost cause from 235 years ago - is that Aborigines in remotes be granted Freehold title to limited land to call their own, and that does not impact on their privileges of exercising traditional walking about, camping, hunting etc on anything but land owned Freehold or leased by others.

You deliberately confuse Native Title with Native Lands privileges on the assumption and in the eternal hope that confusing the issues of 'land rights' will result in an Aboriginal owned Australia ... privileges because a Right must be equally shared by all citizens...

Do you really imagine that an Australia totally owned by a few wandering nomads will ever be remotely acceptable as the rule of our laws? What makes you imagine that this will somehow make your houso situation better? You sick in the head, boy?

I can only assume you are totally stupid to go on and on the way you do. Houso ...

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #197 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:03am

" direct and predictable association between family and community violence with endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss."

Get over it - get a job - do what every other person does - stop sitting on your arse and pretending misery you never endured and get a life...

Simple answer...

Did all those Indian immigrants come here just for the tourism? Or to seek a better life? They traveled thousands of miles to get here... you telling me your pals can't travel five miles like everyone else to a job, or move to another area where the jobs are, or go to school to become qualified and better themselves?

YTF do you imagine it is that every group that comes here - travels thousands of miles and often in hardship - does so? Mainly because they can prosper here, get a real education and better selves and family, become things they could never dream of being 'back home' - and that includes many of the women. Why can't your pals do the same? Whitey holding them back? Or they holding themselves back?

You are stuck somewhere in the 18th Century...

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #198 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:16am

Anyway - Voldemort not displaying the Aboriginal flag on equal footing with the Australian flag will increase Aboriginal domestic violence, same as the Aboriginal youth crime will go up - mothraspeak.

I wonder if, one day, mothra will actually see the absurdity of hir stated positions? Fanatics rarely do - they have too much 'invested' in their 'causes' by now to see the light....

Jeez - even that 'elder' saw the light and apologised - there's hope yet for the likes of mothra and kanga and phil... it's a slow process this socialisation into reality.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84914 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag Reply #199 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:20am Oh, Philie... BUBE` - I stir people when they go at me.... you bring it on yourself.. captain of your own Titanics over and over.... If you don't like copping it - don't hand it out.... you and your kind gain no traction with me - only more back...
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Reply #200 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:20am

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Not to even remotely minimise these instances but we know, Frank. Not a single person is denying it.

What is continued to be denied is the very real, direct and predictable association between family and community violence with endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss.

These similar patterns are reproduced the world over in similar circumstances and mystify absolutely nobody in 2024.

This has been explained to you lot over and over again. And still you don;t get it.

Have you considered reevaluation? I mean, perhaps it might make you happier and less combative.

Moooovin' fooooorward.......

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #201 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:22am

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:20am:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Not to even remotely minimise these instances but we know, Frank. Not a single person is denying it.

What is continued to be denied is the very real, direct and predictable association between family and community violence with endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss.

These similar patterns are reproduced the world over in similar circumstances and mystify absolutely nobody in 2024.

This has been explained to you lot over and over again. And still you don;t get it.

Have you considered reevaluation? I mean, perhaps it might make you happier and less combative.

Moooovin' fooooorward.......

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmk8M2UUYAENZ4A?.jpg

I know you think you are being clever but all you're really being is revealing.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #203 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:32am

There is a world of difference between an orphaned child living on the streets of Bangkok where there is no social security etc, and an Aboriginal kid whose parents are paid to be alive and who receive extra for that child's presence and are supposed to ensure that he/she is fed etc and goes to school etc and gets ahead, and where every opportunity is laid at his/her feet to advance in life ....

There is ZERO equivalent reason for equating the 'poverty' of our Aborigines with their safety nets with any poor kid in the third World.

You fanatics are all the same.

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #204 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:46am

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:20am:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Not to even remotely minimise these instances but we know, Frank. Not a single person is denying it.

What is continued to be denied is the very real, direct and predictable association between family and community violence with endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss.

These similar patterns are reproduced the world over in similar circumstances and mystify absolutely nobody in 2024.

This has been explained to you lot over and over again. And still you don;t get it.

Have you considered reevaluation? I mean, perhaps it might make you happier and less combative.

Moooovin' fooooorward.......

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmk8M2UUYAENZ4A?.jpg

I know you think you are being clever but all you're really being is revealing.

Please explain???

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Reply #205 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:01am

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:20am:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Not to even remotely minimise these instances but we know, Frank. Not a single person is denying it.

What is continued to be denied is the very real, direct and predictable association between family and community violence with endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss.

These similar patterns are reproduced the world over in similar circumstances and mystify absolutely nobody in 2024.

This has been explained to you lot over and over again. And still you don;t get it.

Have you considered reevaluation? I mean, perhaps it might make you happier and less combative.

Moooovin' fooooorward.......

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmk8M2UUYAENZ4A?.jpg

I know you think you are being clever but all you're really being is revealing.

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #206 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

There is a world of difference between an orphaned child living on the streets of Bangkok where there is no social security etc, and an Aboriginal kid whose parents are paid to be alive and who receive extra for that child's presence and are supposed to ensure that he/she is fed etc and goes to school etc and gets ahead, and where every opportunity is laid at his/her feet to advance in life ....

There is ZERO equivalent reason for equating the 'poverty' of our Aborigines with their safety nets with any poor kid in the third World.

You fanatics are all the same.

BLASPHEMER!

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Reply #207 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:12am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:46am:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:20am:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Not to even remotely minimise these instances but we know, Frank. Not a single person is denying it.

What is continued to be denied is the very real, direct and predictable association between family and community violence with endemic poverty, disadvantage and grief and loss.

These similar patterns are reproduced the world over in similar circumstances and mystify absolutely nobody in 2024.

This has been explained to you lot over and over again. And still you don;t get it.

Have you considered reevaluation? I mean, perhaps it might make you happier and less combative.

Moooovin' fooooorward.......

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmk8M2UUYAENZ4A?.jpg

I know you think you are being clever but all you're really being is revealing.

Please explain???

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Re: Peter Dutton says he won't display Indigenous flag
Reply #208 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:13am

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

There is a world of difference between an orphaned child living on the streets of Bangkok where there is no social security etc, and an Aboriginal kid whose parents are paid to be alive and who receive extra for that child's presence and are supposed to ensure that he/she is fed etc and goes to school etc and gets ahead, and where every opportunity is laid at his/her feet to advance in life ....

There is ZERO equivalent reason for equating the 'poverty' of our Aborigines with their safety nets with any poor kid in the third World.

You fanatics are all the same.

BLASPHEMER!

Oh good. We're one up on the developing world.

Just so you know, crusties, we don't say "third world" anymore. Nor have we for years and years.

I know it presses heavily upon you but if you want to engage in internet forums, it behooves you to stay abreast.

Things have moved on since the '60s. I know most of that frightens you but you;re really better off trying to use the proper words for things if you want to have say.

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Reply #209 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:18am

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Oh good. We're one up on the developing world.

Just so you know, crusties, we don't say "third world" anymore. Nor have we for years and years.

I know it presses heavily upon you but if you want to engage in internet forums, it behooves you to stay abreast.

Things have moved on since the '60s. I know most of that frightens you but you;re really better off trying to use the proper words for things if you want to have say.

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