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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #15 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:21pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:41pm:
Which part was Trump right about, Bobby?



"they are eating the dogs - they are eating the cats -
they are eating the pets."

( Voodoo culture)


Do you have any evidence of that?



I heard the stories in the news and Trump repeated them.
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Reply #16 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:24pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:11am:
This underscores the existential peril misinformation poses to democracy. When individuals like Bobbi, devoid of critical reasoning, not only fall prey to this nonsense but become its zealous apostles, the damage compounds exponentially.

While I’m relieved our local misinformation bill has been shelved, given my absolute distrust of those in power or those clawing to attain it wielding such sweeping authority, it’s undeniable that action is needed.

Education, sadly, is proving inadequate. Far too many of these purveyors of misinformation fancy themselves "informed" and are wilfully impervious to correction.

Hoping for their outdated views and staggering ignorance to naturally fade out is no longer a viable strategy in an era where misinformation, travels at breakneck speed.

I wish I had clarity on what “action” should look like, but even defining the starting point feels elusive.

Perhaps the harsh truth is that we’re left to endure as the powers that be exploit these fools, and the rest of us, until the system collapses under its own weight. When that moment comes, we may have no choice but to let it all burn and rebuild from the ashes.

But I'd prefer it doesn't come to that.  Those who come after us shouldn't have to suffer because some of us were willfully fu
cking
idiots and dumb cu
nts
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Trump killed political correctness -
he tells the truth without fear or permission.



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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #17 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:35pm
 
He's lying. That dragon is 8 metres long and Trump claims it's 15.
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #18 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:24pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:11am:
This underscores the existential peril misinformation poses to democracy. When individuals like Bobbi, devoid of critical reasoning, not only fall prey to this nonsense but become its zealous apostles, the damage compounds exponentially.

While I’m relieved our local misinformation bill has been shelved, given my absolute distrust of those in power or those clawing to attain it wielding such sweeping authority, it’s undeniable that action is needed.

Education, sadly, is proving inadequate. Far too many of these purveyors of misinformation fancy themselves "informed" and are wilfully impervious to correction.

Hoping for their outdated views and staggering ignorance to naturally fade out is no longer a viable strategy in an era where misinformation, travels at breakneck speed.

I wish I had clarity on what “action” should look like, but even defining the starting point feels elusive.

Perhaps the harsh truth is that we’re left to endure as the powers that be exploit these fools, and the rest of us, until the system collapses under its own weight. When that moment comes, we may have no choice but to let it all burn and rebuild from the ashes.

But I'd prefer it doesn't come to that.  Those who come after us shouldn't have to suffer because some of us were willfully fu
cking
idiots and dumb cu
nts
.


Trump killed political correctness -
he tells the truth without fear or permission.

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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #19 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 12:29pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:11am:
This underscores the existential peril misinformation poses to democracy. When individuals like Bobbi, devoid of critical reasoning, not only fall prey to this nonsense but become its zealous apostles, the damage compounds exponentially.

While I’m relieved our local misinformation bill has been shelved, given my absolute distrust of those in power or those clawing to attain it wielding such sweeping authority, it’s undeniable that action is needed.

Education, sadly, is proving inadequate. Far too many of these purveyors of misinformation fancy themselves "informed" and are wilfully impervious to correction.

Hoping for their outdated views and staggering ignorance to naturally fade out is no longer a viable strategy in an era where misinformation, travels at breakneck speed.

I wish I had clarity on what “action” should look like, but even defining the starting point feels elusive.

Perhaps the harsh truth is that we’re left to endure as the powers that be exploit these fools, and the rest of us, until the system collapses under its own weight. When that moment comes, we may have no choice but to let it all burn and rebuild from the ashes.

But I'd prefer it doesn't come to that.  Those who come after us shouldn't have to suffer because some of us were willfully fu
cking
idiots and dumb cu
nts
.


Excellent post.  Summed it up nicely.

Education just doesn't work on people like Bobbi, Frank, JaSin, et al.

They quite simply cannot be educated, either because they don't want to be or they are quite frankly incapable of learning.

It's a sad phenomenon to witness, and I too worry about how it's all going to end.

These people have no concept of truth, facts or reality - all they believe is what's inside their heads and nothing will sway them.


These individuals are the perfect marks, easily identified by grifters who have refined their craft to pick them out of a crowd.

Historically, the art of the con was less about the scam itself and more about finding the ideal target, the right mark. But with the advent of the internet and, particularly in the US, generations left vulnerable by deliberate degradations to the education system, the paradigm has shifted.

The marks now actively seek out the grifters.

Grifting no longer requires finesse or ingenuity. The formula is simple: tell people what they desperately want to hear, convince them they’ve uncovered or are now privy to a "hidden truth" that some nebulous villain is trying to suppress, and then solicit their money.

It's that simple.

The playbook often includes a staged confrontation with an authority figure, meticulously recorded to bolster credibility, followed by the inevitable crowdfunding campaign for a "legal defence fund" even when no real legal trouble exists, the narrative of victimhood is monetised. When that phase concludes, the grift pivots to selling merchandise, promoting countercultural ideals, or hawking dubious health products and supplements.

Misinformation is the cornerstone of their strategy, lazy, effective, and widely accessible. It has democratised the con, stripping it of any need for charm, cunning, or a keen eye for character. The process is chillingly efficient: identify a niche, locate a group dissatisfied with the mainstream or evidence-based consensus, affirm their beliefs, and ask for donations and help them shift to adopting this topic as part of their very personality.

For those without financial resources, the grift evolves further. These individuals are co-opted as modern-day evangelists, spreading the con to recruit new marks. They are drawn in by the illusion of exclusivity, believing they’ve uncovered a profound hidden truth, and are often told, perhaps for the first time, that they are unequivocally correct about it.

No correction by research they either don't want to know about, or are unable to understand.  No condescending family member "Um actually"-ing them.

For once they have the right answer.

Sure, it's bullshit, but that's less important than their beliefs being validated by someone, anyone.

It is as tragic as it is dangerous. Like those plugged into the Matrix, these individuals are both victims and enablers, unwitting cogs in the machine of misinformation. They resist the truth, perceiving it as a threat, all while perpetuating the very system exploiting them.

Sometimes, for the sake of truth and reality, such enablers, the likes of Bobbi, Frank, or now Leroy etc, must be confronted and dismantled. The fight against misinformation demands it.

And they will inevitably follow the same play book of turning to victimhood and more misinformation as their only method to fight back against the truth.
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #20 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:52pm:
And they will inevitably follow the same play book of turning to victimhood and more misinformation as their only method to fight back against the truth.


Like this:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 2:24pm:
Trump killed political correctness -
he tells the truth without fear or permission.


Trump lies more than any other President in recorded history.

One count has him at 30,573 false or misleading claims by the end of his first term...

"Trump Tells the truth"

More misinformation.
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #21 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:05pm
 
Mr Sad,
Quote:
Sometimes, for the sake of truth and reality, such enablers,
the likes of Bobbi, Frank, or now Leroy etc, must be confronted and dismantled.
The fight against misinformation demands it.


You just don't want to hear the unpleasant truth about Haitians -
they believe in Voodoo  and murder 100s of innocent people when
one person gets sick blaming witches.
They eat cats and dogs.
Trump was not afraid to call it out.
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #22 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:06pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
Trump lies more than any other President in recorded history.



Indeed.

However, I'd add that Trump lies more than any other person in recorded history.

I truly can not think of anyone who has lied more than Trump.
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #23 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:08pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:55am:
There is no doubt that Haitian Voodoo includes killing cats and dogs. That is an objective fact. The only debate here is whether someone who did that last month in Haiti would do it this month in America. But since it is their faith, it is naive to think they would not.

From the New York Times:
"In this tradition, animals such as cats, dogs, birds, goats, rams, and bulls are sacrificed to spirits and ancestors. The animal's throat is cut after a message is spoken into its ear, and the shrine is covered in its blood. The meat is then cooked and eaten by the attendees, who believe it will bring them blessings."

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/26/nyregion/l-of-voodoo-and-animal-sacrifice-751...


180 people were murdered by a criminal gang because on of their children died and they blamed voodoo....Do you believe voodoo killed this child and the murders were justified Fwank???

Huh Huh Huh
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #24 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:08pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:06pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
Trump lies more than any other President in recorded history.



Indeed.

However, I'd add that Trump lies more than any other person in recorded history.

I truly can not think of anyone who has lied more than Trump.


Fwank???

Huh Huh Huh
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #25 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Mr Sad,
Quote:
Sometimes, for the sake of truth and reality, such enablers,
the likes of Bobbi, Frank, or now Leroy etc, must be confronted and dismantled.
The fight against misinformation demands it.


You just don't want to hear the unpleasant truth about Haitians -
they believe in Voodoo  and murder 100s of innocent people when
one person gets sick blaming witches.
The eat cats and dogs.
Trump was not afraid to call it out.


If Trump was right about Hatians eating cats and dogs in Springfield then post the evidence Bobby.....Just post the evidence you relied upon to make this claim....Accusations is not proof Bobby....Over too you???

Huh Huh Huh
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #26 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:11pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:06pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
Trump lies more than any other President in recorded history.



Indeed.

However, I'd add that Trump lies more than any other person in recorded history.

I truly can not think of anyone who has lied more than Trump.


Fwank???

Huh Huh Huh


He might be a close second.

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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #27 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:15pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Mr Sad,
Quote:
Sometimes, for the sake of truth and reality, such enablers,
the likes of Bobbi, Frank, or now Leroy etc, must be confronted and dismantled.
The fight against misinformation demands it.


You just don't want to hear the unpleasant truth about Haitians -
they believe in Voodoo  and murder 100s of innocent people when
one person gets sick blaming witches.
They eat cats and dogs.
Trump was not afraid to call it out.


If Trump was right about Hatians eating cats and dogs in Springfield then post the evidence Bobby.....
Just post the evidence you relied upon to make this claim....
Accusations is not proof Bobby....Over too you???

Huh Huh Huh




36 pages of evidence here:



https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725969757/0#0
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #28 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:17pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 12:29pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 11:11am:
This underscores the existential peril misinformation poses to democracy. When individuals like Bobbi, devoid of critical reasoning, not only fall prey to this nonsense but become its zealous apostles, the damage compounds exponentially.

While I’m relieved our local misinformation bill has been shelved, given my absolute distrust of those in power or those clawing to attain it wielding such sweeping authority, it’s undeniable that action is needed.

Education, sadly, is proving inadequate. Far too many of these purveyors of misinformation fancy themselves "informed" and are wilfully impervious to correction.

Hoping for their outdated views and staggering ignorance to naturally fade out is no longer a viable strategy in an era where misinformation, travels at breakneck speed.

I wish I had clarity on what “action” should look like, but even defining the starting point feels elusive.

Perhaps the harsh truth is that we’re left to endure as the powers that be exploit these fools, and the rest of us, until the system collapses under its own weight. When that moment comes, we may have no choice but to let it all burn and rebuild from the ashes.

But I'd prefer it doesn't come to that.  Those who come after us shouldn't have to suffer because some of us were willfully fu
cking
idiots and dumb cu
nts
.


Excellent post.  Summed it up nicely.

Education just doesn't work on people like Bobbi, Frank, JaSin, et al.

They quite simply cannot be educated, either because they don't want to be or they are quite frankly incapable of learning.

It's a sad phenomenon to witness, and I too worry about how it's all going to end.

These people have no concept of truth, facts or reality - all they believe is what's inside their heads and nothing will sway them.


These individuals are the perfect marks, easily identified by grifters who have refined their craft to pick them out of a crowd.

Historically, the art of the con was less about the scam itself and more about finding the ideal target, the right mark. But with the advent of the internet and, particularly in the US, generations left vulnerable by deliberate degradations to the education system, the paradigm has shifted.

The marks now actively seek out the grifters.

Grifting no longer requires finesse or ingenuity. The formula is simple: tell people what they desperately want to hear, convince them they’ve uncovered or are now privy to a "hidden truth" that some nebulous villain is trying to suppress, and then solicit their money.

It's that simple.

The playbook often includes a staged confrontation with an authority figure, meticulously recorded to bolster credibility, followed by the inevitable crowdfunding campaign for a "legal defence fund" even when no real legal trouble exists, the narrative of victimhood is monetised. When that phase concludes, the grift pivots to selling merchandise, promoting countercultural ideals, or hawking dubious health products and supplements.

Misinformation is the cornerstone of their strategy, lazy, effective, and widely accessible. It has democratised the con, stripping it of any need for charm, cunning, or a keen eye for character. The process is chillingly efficient: identify a niche, locate a group dissatisfied with the mainstream or evidence-based consensus, affirm their beliefs, and ask for donations and help them shift to adopting this topic as part of their very personality.

For those without financial resources, the grift evolves further. These individuals are co-opted as modern-day evangelists, spreading the con to recruit new marks. They are drawn in by the illusion of exclusivity, believing they’ve uncovered a profound hidden truth, and are often told, perhaps for the first time, that they are unequivocally correct about it.

No correction by research they either don't want to know about, or are unable to understand.  No condescending family member "Um actually"-ing them.

For once they have the right answer.

Sure, it's bullshit, but that's less important than their beliefs being validated by someone, anyone.

It is as tragic as it is dangerous. Like those plugged into the Matrix, these individuals are both victims and enablers, unwitting cogs in the machine of misinformation. They resist the truth, perceiving it as a threat, all while perpetuating the very system exploiting them.

Sometimes, for the sake of truth and reality, such enablers, the likes of Bobbi, Frank, or now Leroy etc, must be confronted and dismantled. The fight against misinformation demands it.

And they will inevitably follow the same play book of turning to victimhood and more misinformation as their only method to fight back against the truth.

This reads like the bloody Granuiad!  Grin
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Re: Trump was right about Haitians
Reply #29 - Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Mr Sad,
Quote:
Sometimes, for the sake of truth and reality, such enablers,
the likes of Bobbi, Frank, or now Leroy etc, must be confronted and dismantled.
The fight against misinformation demands it.


You just don't want to hear the unpleasant truth about Haitians -
they believe in Voodoo  and murder 100s of innocent people when
one person gets sick blaming witches.
They eat cats and dogs.
Trump was not afraid to call it out.


Your so-called "evidence" originates from outside the United States, a questionable foundation at best.

It’s akin to me claiming that because a Republican senator was infamously caught engaging in anonymous sexual encounters in a Minneapolis airport bathroom with other men, it somehow serves as definitive proof that all Republicans and their supporters are secretly homosexual.

While I’m sure some are, not that there’s anything wrong with that Bobbi, it hardly justifies painting everyone across the country with the same brush.

And before you ask, no, I don’t have any footage for your amusement. But I’m sure you can indulge your curiosity with a quick Google search, or perhaps by perusing your own browser history.
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