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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #45 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

The certificate costs, yes, Bobby and without the certificate you have no proof that it is made to Specification. Not being made to specification means that it might not work the way it is wanted to, when it is wanted to. Would you trust your life to such a component? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That is not my point of contention.
of course I wouldn't want anything without a CoC - A “Certificate of Conformance”
as a component in something that could cost my life.
The point is that they are making almost all of their money on the CoC -
in my example which I saw with my own eyes -
paying $3,500 for the part and $28,500 for the certificate -
that is excessive -
it wouldn't stand up in a time of total war -
they just get away with it in peacetime. Roll Eyes

My, my, how naive and foolish you are, Bobby. You expect highly skilled to work for nought to produce your Certificate? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you really are foolish you expect everything to be free. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not in war time - the Govt even steals patents and pays zero.

In a time of war the Govt will steal patents and pay out nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_patent_use_(United_States)

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Night-vision goggles (1990s)
The United States Department of Defense began developing night-vision goggles in 1987. They purchased thousands for Operation Desert Storm alone. Gargoyles Inc. acquired the patent for protective eyewear from Pro-Tec Inc in 1988. They "commenced an action under 28 U.S.C. § 1498 for "reasonable and entire" compensation for direct infringement of the patent by the United States. Gargoyles lost their 1996 appeal.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-federal-circuit/1098010.html

they made and delivered roughly 450,000 units
under the '6079 contract and several smaller contracts
and paid nothing.
Military made 450,000 units and paid nothing
for the patents

GARGOYLES INC v. UNITED STATES (1997) | FindLaw

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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #46 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that is the US, it is not Oz, Bobby. Things are very different downunder. They are very different in the UK. Patents get paid even to the enemy if they hold the Patent. Vickers in the UK used German patents for it's fuzes and had to pay the Germans after the wars. They had manufactured millions of German designed fuzes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #47 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that is the US, it is not Oz, Bobby. Things are very different downunder. They are very different in the UK. Patents get paid even to the enemy if they hold the Patent. Vickers in the UK used German patents for it's fuzes and had to pay the Germans after the wars. They had manufactured millions of German designed fuzes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'm just saying that in war time the military industrial complex would not get away
with charging $28,500 for a certificate.

Can't you see that we're being ripped off?

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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #48 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 1:20pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

A thought.

Do we need subs at all?

If we developed our own nuclear weapons.
Placed around our island.

Would that not be enough significant deter against any aggression towards our shores?

Why are we looking always to the offensive position and always in support of American aggression?

Why should we not just protect over selves and begone with fighting wars we have nothing to do with ?

We don't need to develop nuclear weapons. We need to develop countermeasures for nuclear attacks.

I believe the opposite. There are no second prizes in a nuclear war.
Mutual and complete destruction once assured is the highest deterrent.

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Don’t vote for any of them. They just want your money!

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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #49 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that is the US, it is not Oz, Bobby. Things are very different downunder. They are very different in the UK. Patents get paid even to the enemy if they hold the Patent. Vickers in the UK used German patents for it's fuzes and had to pay the Germans after the wars. They had manufactured millions of German designed fuzes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'm just saying that in war time the military industrial complex would not get away
with charging $28,500 for a certificate.

Can't you see that we're being ripped off?

You're Trolling again, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #50 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that is the US, it is not Oz, Bobby. Things are very different downunder. They are very different in the UK. Patents get paid even to the enemy if they hold the Patent. Vickers in the UK used German patents for it's fuzes and had to pay the Germans after the wars. They had manufactured millions of German designed fuzes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'm just saying that in war time the military industrial complex would not get away
with charging $28,500 for a certificate.

Can't you see that we're being ripped off?

You're Trolling again, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You banned me from the Defence MRB -
when I'm one of the few people here who actually knows something about Defence. Roll Eyes

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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #51 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that is the US, it is not Oz, Bobby. Things are very different downunder. They are very different in the UK. Patents get paid even to the enemy if they hold the Patent. Vickers in the UK used German patents for it's fuzes and had to pay the Germans after the wars. They had manufactured millions of German designed fuzes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'm just saying that in war time the military industrial complex would not get away
with charging $28,500 for a certificate.

Can't you see that we're being ripped off?

You're Trolling again, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You banned me from the Defence MRB -
when I'm one of the few people here who actually knows something about Defence. Roll Eyes

Yeah, yeah, sure, Bobby, sure. Lets get matron get you back to your bed, hey? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #52 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 2:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that is the US, it is not Oz, Bobby. Things are very different downunder. They are very different in the UK. Patents get paid even to the enemy if they hold the Patent. Vickers in the UK used German patents for it's fuzes and had to pay the Germans after the wars. They had manufactured millions of German designed fuzes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Worst use of taxpayer funds ever
Reply #53 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:00pm

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

I believe the opposite. There are no second prizes in a nuclear war.
Mutual and complete destruction once assured is the highest deterrent.

You very much stink at battle strategy. If you have 1000 nuclear weapons ready to be deployed on an enemy, chances are they have nuclear weapons ready to deploy upon you. And the aggressor is always the one that gets the blame from the literal fallout.

Once you achieve complete destruction of your enemy, what happens then? Would you have to take on their allies? And their friends might end up being more determined to get back at you surreptitiously over the next decade.

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