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Leroy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 447 Gender:	Incitement Dec 12^th, 2024 at 6:36pm I have noticed on this forum there are several posters who only look to incite hatred. They take positions to try and cause disharmony between groups. There is no interest in discussion but a desire to cause conflict. I also notice they all have one thing in common.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41814	Re: Incitement Reply #1 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:25pm Yes, the Islamophobes and the Right are particularly bad at this, Soren. They'd rather fight than come to an agreement. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Leroy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 447 Gender:	Re: Incitement Reply #2 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 8:19pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:25pm: Yes, the Islamophobes and the Right are particularly bad at this, Soren. They'd rather fight than come to an agreement. Tsk, tsk, tsk... What is it that upsets you Brian, what would you change about what bothers you so much. be real and speak your real truth.
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Reply #3 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:19pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

Yes, the Islamophobes and the Right are particularly bad at this, Soren. They'd rather fight than come to an agreement. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What is it that upsets you Brian, what would you change about what bothers you so much. be real and speak your real truth.

The complete lack of empathy displayed by the members of the Right. Their inability or unwillingness to see things from the other side's point-of-view. The Islamophobes inability to see through the media's portrayal of all Muslims as being supposed Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #4 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

Yes, the Islamophobes and the Right are particularly bad at this, Soren. They'd rather fight than come to an agreement. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What is it that upsets you Brian, what would you change about what bothers you so much. be real and speak your real truth.

The complete lack of empathy displayed by the members of the Right. Their inability or unwillingness to see things from the other side's point-of-view. The Islamophobes inability to see through the media's portrayal of all Muslims as being supposed Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

But thats their problem, why do you let it upset you. People are going to have different opinions.

If you compare the inability or unwillingness of the right (left and right are media terms labeling people) to see things from the other side's point-of-view then your actions must validate your concerns. Same with islamophobes (another media creation ) do your actions validate their concerns. Don't give oxygen to to a fire you want to extinguish.

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Reply #5 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:53pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

Yes, the Islamophobes and the Right are particularly bad at this, Soren. They'd rather fight than come to an agreement. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What is it that upsets you Brian, what would you change about what bothers you so much. be real and speak your real truth.

The complete lack of empathy displayed by the members of the Right. Their inability or unwillingness to see things from the other side's point-of-view. The Islamophobes inability to see through the media's portrayal of all Muslims as being supposed Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

But thats their problem, why do you let it upset you. People are going to have different opinions.

Oh, it doesn't upset me at all, Soren. It annoys me, just as you do with your fake persona. People are entitled to differing opinions but they need to display that they understand their opponents far more than they do at the moment. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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If you compare the inability or unwillingness of the right (left and right are media terms labeling people) to see things from the other side's point-of-view then your actions must validate your concerns. Same with islamophobes (another media creation ) do your actions validate their concerns. Don't give oxygen to to a fire you want to extinguish.

The Left and the Right date back to the French Revolution when the opposing sides of the Parliament sat on the two sides of the chamber. Islamophobia is a more recent development and has almost nothing to do with the media. I do not give oxygen, I remove it from the debate. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 10:17pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

Yes, the Islamophobes and the Right are particularly bad at this, Soren. They'd rather fight than come to an agreement. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What is it that upsets you Brian, what would you change about what bothers you so much. be real and speak your real truth.

The complete lack of empathy displayed by the members of the Right. Their inability or unwillingness to see things from the other side's point-of-view. The Islamophobes inability to see through the media's portrayal of all Muslims as being supposed Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

But thats their problem, why do you let it upset you. People are going to have different opinions.

Nothing to do with opinions.

Those on the right insist on having their own (objectively wrong) facts, truths and reality.

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Reply #7 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 11:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:53pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

Yes, the Islamophobes and the Right are particularly bad at this, Soren. They'd rather fight than come to an agreement. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What is it that upsets you Brian, what would you change about what bothers you so much. be real and speak your real truth.

The complete lack of empathy displayed by the members of the Right. Their inability or unwillingness to see things from the other side's point-of-view. The Islamophobes inability to see through the media's portrayal of all Muslims as being supposed Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

But thats their problem, why do you let it upset you. People are going to have different opinions.

Oh, it doesn't upset me at all, Soren. It annoys me, just as you do with your fake persona. People are entitled to differing opinions but they need to display that they understand their opponents far more than they do at the moment. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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If you compare the inability or unwillingness of the right (left and right are media terms labeling people) to see things from the other side's point-of-view then your actions must validate your concerns. Same with islamophobes (another media creation ) do your actions validate their concerns. Don't give oxygen to to a fire you want to extinguish.

The Left and the Right date back to the French Revolution when the opposing sides of the Parliament sat on the two sides of the chamber. Islamophobia is a more recent development and has almost nothing to do with the media. I do not give oxygen, I remove it from the debate. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Other posters are not your opponents, there is nothing to win or lose.

Some people will be twats and that includes all religions and non religious.

I don't interact with people that preach one thing and act another. I don't care what religion or race, its the way they act that determines their values. When you call people islamophobic you pretty much validate them, right or wrong. I'm not telling you how to live but I feel you may bring a lot on yourself.

And by the way who is Soren, I don't want to get into it over this name but just fill me in on why.

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Re: Incitement
Reply #8 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:09am

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

The complete lack of empathy displayed by the members of the Right.

Their inability or unwillingness to see things from the other side's point-of-view.

The Islamophobes inability to see through the media's portrayal of all Muslims***
as being supposed Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

But thats their problem, why do you let it upset you.

People are going to have different opinions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 10:17pm:

Nothing to do with opinions.

Those on the right insist on having their own (objectively wrong) facts, truths and reality.

greggery,

I will quote Allah and sometimes i will report what moslems have themselves said.

Are you asserting that an infidel may not examine the meaning, of Allah's truth and REALITY ?

That, it should be FORBIDDEN, for any infidel, to examine Allah's truth and REALITY ?

And FORBIDDEN, for any infidel, to form a 'conclusion', from that examination ?

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brian,

What about the "portrayal of all Muslims", by THE RESPONSIBILITY, of their own personal choice,
to join themselves to, and to embrace, the doctrines of Allah's perfect religion ?

THE REALITY WHICH ISLAM FOSTERS......

ISLAM's most sacred religious text declares,
and instructs the devout moslem,
that it is FORBIDDEN for him,
to have a friend who is a Jew or a Christian.

And PLAINLY declares ........that a devout moslem,
who chooses to have a Jewish or a Christian friend,
he, is no longer a follower of Allah.

i.e.
The Jew and the Christian, can only EXIST, as an enemy, of the devout moslem.

REALITY

AS PER......
"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

FURTHER........REALITY

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. ***Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

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The religious doctrine of ISLAM.......
Anyone who aligns himself [sincerely] with any disbeliever, is an evil person [i.e. worthy of death, at the hand of a good moslem !].

REALITY

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EVEN MORE REALITY...[a reality, which greggery must be in denial about]
from ISLAM's most sacred religious text,
which instructs the devout moslem,
to fight and to kill 'local' disbelievers.

REALITY

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"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

QUESTION;
Is it is LEGITIMATE, for the infidel, to examine these verses,
found within ISLAM's most sacred religious text,
in order TO ENABLE THE INFIDEL,
to understand the motives of the followers of ISLAM,
towards those who are not followers of ISLAM ?

THE TRUTH IS 'OUT THERE'.

Yadda said......

ISLAM in its foundational religious text [the Koran]
promotes hatred of ALL non-moslems,
AS ISLAMS PRIMARY RELIGIOUS PRECEPT.

Examine the content of the Koran [and the Hadith] for yourself.

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INSTRUCTION FROM THE PROPHET OF ALLAH,
IN THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion,
kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Reply #9 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:02am

Yadda wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:09am:

QUESTION;
Is it is LEGITIMATE, for the infidel, to examine these verses,
found within ISLAM's most sacred religious text,
in order TO ENABLE THE INFIDEL,
to understand the motives of the followers of ISLAM,
towards those who are not followers of ISLAM ?

QUESTION;
Is it is LEGITIMATE, for the moslem,
[while LIVING within a secular host nation,
when he is speaking 'behind closed doors'],
to remind members of his own community,
that they are OBLIGATED to hold an unending enmity and hatred,
towards those who are not followers of ISLAM,
towards all those who reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law ?

EXAMPLES FOLLOW.......

ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.

EVIDENCES, from the lips of devout moslems ------ >

Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam

01/05/2007

In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed:

"Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".

The article advised:

"The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.

There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims.

Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-...

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ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.

EVIDENCES, from the lips of devout moslems ------ >

Quote:

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.

And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

this is an old link, but the article is kosher.

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ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.

EVIDENCES, from the lips of devout moslems ------ >

This UK moslem community leader, is speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005

......In public interviews
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”

n.b. 'kuffar' = = disbeliever

these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts

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EVEN MORE EVIDENCES, IN THESE TWO VIDEOS........
[....of what moslems are willing to reveal about their 'religion',
whenever they are speaking 'behind closed doors'.]

CHANNEL 4 UNDERCOVER MOSQUE

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These two videos expose the truth about ISLAM, and about moslem communities living in the West.

ISLAM in the West, is all about cultural subversion and seeking actual harm, towards 'those who are not us'.
[Koran 9.123 Koran 5.51 Koran 2.98 Koran 48.29]

WATCH THESE TWO VIDEOS......
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....they reveal A LOT, about the followers of ISLAM, in the UK

#01

Undercover Mosque [ Part 1 ] Un-United Kingdom of Islam

49 min
February 4th, 2022
https://old.bitchute.com/video/synpQltrUMLs/

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Jihad and Jihad, and Jihad.....

@00.40 "The Last Day will not come, until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them."

#02

Undercover Mosque [ Part 2 ] The Return, Real Stories

49 min
February 4th, 2022
https://old.bitchute.com/video/1P8srghUszCR/

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I hope that you ARE NOT 'OFFENDED'
because i presented these arguments and EVIDENCES, above.

IMO, being 'offended', is not a healthy mental reaction,
when we are presented with undeniable truth.

These are REAL >> evidences, << in the world.

The statements being made by followers of ISLAM,
are NOT my 'claims',
and they are NOT my assertions.

Search for yourself.......for the truth [OR NOT] of what i have presented.

WWW SEARCH........
[search for this whole string....]
"Cause of Allah" "Jihad" site:www.thereligionofpeace.com

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

WWW SEARCH........
[search for this whole string....]
"Cause of Allah" "Jihad" site:www.jihadwatch.org/

https://jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-doctrine

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41814	Re: Incitement Reply #10 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:02pm Yadda, you're an Islamophobic Troll. Run along, back to your hidden Church where you can preach your hatred for all other religions to your heart's content. You're a WOFTAM. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #11 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:06pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 11:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:53pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

Yes, the Islamophobes and the Right are particularly bad at this, Soren. They'd rather fight than come to an agreement. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What is it that upsets you Brian, what would you change about what bothers you so much. be real and speak your real truth.

The complete lack of empathy displayed by the members of the Right. Their inability or unwillingness to see things from the other side's point-of-view. The Islamophobes inability to see through the media's portrayal of all Muslims as being supposed Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

But thats their problem, why do you let it upset you. People are going to have different opinions.

Oh, it doesn't upset me at all, Soren. It annoys me, just as you do with your fake persona. People are entitled to differing opinions but they need to display that they understand their opponents far more than they do at the moment. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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If you compare the inability or unwillingness of the right (left and right are media terms labeling people) to see things from the other side's point-of-view then your actions must validate your concerns. Same with islamophobes (another media creation ) do your actions validate their concerns. Don't give oxygen to to a fire you want to extinguish.

The Left and the Right date back to the French Revolution when the opposing sides of the Parliament sat on the two sides of the chamber. Islamophobia is a more recent development and has almost nothing to do with the media. I do not give oxygen, I remove it from the debate. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Other posters are not your opponents, there is nothing to win or lose.

Some people will be twats and that includes all religions and non religious.

I don't interact with people that preach one thing and act another. I don't care what religion or race, its the way they act that determines their values. When you call people islamophobic you pretty much validate them, right or wrong. I'm not telling you how to live but I feel you may bring a lot on yourself.

And by the way who is Soren, I don't want to get into it over this name but just fill me in on why.

Oh, you know who you are, don't you, Soren? Some people are twats, I agree but it is the members of the Right and the Islamophobes who annoy me the most, just like you. Look at Yadda, he post endless diatribes against Muslims but he refuses to talk directly to Muslims because he is such an Islamophobe. He hates any other religion except his Old Testament style Christianity. He ignores the message that Christ taught about tolerance and love. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104609 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Incitement Reply #12 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:10pm Dear Yadda, your posts are too long - I doubt anyone reads them. Please make them short and punchy.
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Leroy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 447 Gender:	Re: Incitement Reply #13 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:14pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:06pm: . He ignores the message that Christ taught about tolerance and love. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Why do you behave the way you do, is that the message of your god?.
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46122 Gender:	Re: Incitement Reply #14 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:19pm Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 11:18pm: And by the way who is Soren, I don't want to get into it over this name but just fill me in on why. Bbwiyawn think you are me. Or that I am you. Or something like that. I say "Bbwiyawn thinks" because I am in a very generous mood.
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