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Reply #105 - Yesterday at 9:18am
 
lee wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 4:34pm:
I've already told you what they said.


Yes and you can't link it. BIG fail. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


I don't need to link it. If it was incorrect, you would have linked it. Instead you deflected in your usual lame arse way Cheesy
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Reply #106 - Yesterday at 9:25am
 
Lets look at when these 'renewables' were put to the test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqzT48LOPUg Big fail! This shows that 'renewables' will not be any sort of  replacement for coal and gas. The only alternative to these proven fuels is nuclear.
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Re: Nuclear power to cost almost half ALP renewables
Reply #107 - Yesterday at 11:48am
 
John Smith wrote Yesterday at 9:18am:
don't need to link it. If it was incorrect, you would have linked it.


Yes you do. It was your claim. I can't find it. You? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Nuclear power to cost almost half ALP renewables
Reply #108 - Yesterday at 11:56am
 
lee wrote Yesterday at 11:48am:
John Smith wrote Yesterday at 9:18am:
don't need to link it. If it was incorrect, you would have linked it.


Yes you do. It was your claim. I can't find it. You? Grin Grin Grin Grin



you couldn't have looked very hard Cheesy Cheesy

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https://www.smh.com.au/business/study-finds-abc-bias-leans-towards-coalition-20090902-f8gm.html





It's common knowledge .. this topic has been done to death countless times on this forum and each and every time you anti abc nuts get your arses handed to you
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Reply #109 - Yesterday at 12:23pm
 
John Smith wrote Yesterday at 11:56am:
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https://www.smh.com.au/business/study-finds-abc-bias-leans-towards-coalition-20090902-f8gm.html


You do realise that is a report of a report. Not the report. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

From your reference -

"Economists Joshua Gans and Andrew Leigh made the finding in a research paper, How Partisan is the Press?, that also said that on another measure of bias The Age slants towards Labor."

Wow economists now do bias. And they have different measures. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And 2009? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Also -

"Overall, we find that the Australian media are quite centrist, with very few outlets being statistically distinguishable from the middle of Australian politics."

Here is the 2009 paper -

https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/items/4a79702f-fb4e-4caf-a918-9abd0ba...

" On this metric, the only media outlet that is significantly slanted is ABC Channel 2 television news, which is significantly pro-Coalition during the period in question."

Wow. One period of time, an election year, and coverage of 107 "intellectuals". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

John Smith wrote Yesterday at 11:56am:
this topic has been done to death countless times on this forum and each and every time you anti abc nuts get your arses handed to you


If the latest you can find is 2009 maybe your research skills aren't up to scratch.
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Reply #110 - Yesterday at 3:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 7:26pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 4:53pm:
Renewables are the only sensible answer to the question of where we get our society's energy from


If we had Hydro then maybe.


We have Hydro, Baron.  Which is amazing, considering that we are the second driest continent on the planet.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Real hydro Bwhine not that pumped hydro BS that consumes more power than it produces.

How is Snowy Hydro 2 (pumped hydro) going? Over $12 billion and counting not predicted to work for another few years when it should have been operational years ago

Hydro is the cheapest and most reliable of renewables you can turn it on and off like a tap.

Why do all those pushing renewables never mention the cheapest form?  Roll Eyes

A friend has a hunting cabin bottom of a valley so no wind shaded most of the day so solar isn't really viable.
Has a creek running through it small turbine gets around 250W 24 hours a day 7 days a week.


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Reply #111 - Yesterday at 4:16pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote Yesterday at 3:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 7:26pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 4:53pm:
Renewables are the only sensible answer to the question of where we get our society's energy from


If we had Hydro then maybe.


We have Hydro, Baron.  Which is amazing, considering that we are the second driest continent on the planet.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Real hydro Bwhine not that pumped hydro BS that consumes more power than it produces.


Gee, amazing how you overlook Snowy Hydro 1 and Tasmania, Baron.  What is wrong, isn't it sexy enough for you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #112 - Yesterday at 4:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 4:16pm:
Gee, amazing how you overlook Snowy Hydro 1 and Tasmania, Baron. 


So tell us what happens when there is too much irrigation from Snowy 1? Roll Eyes
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Reply #113 - Yesterday at 6:22pm
 
lee wrote Yesterday at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 4:16pm:
Gee, amazing how you overlook Snowy Hydro 1 and Tasmania, Baron. 


So tell us what happens when there is too much irrigation from Snowy 1? Roll Eyes


It is your story, Lee, you tell us what happens...  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #114 - Yesterday at 6:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 6:22pm:
It is your story, Lee, you tell us what happens.



So you have no common sense. Who knew? Snowy 1 supplies irrigation and power. Too much irrigation the power available drops. Roll Eyes

It seems in the recent past there has been too much and too little for generation. And that is beyond the environmental degradation of the Snowy river.

https://researchbank.swinburne.edu.au/file/6720b7ac-a3dc-4ad1-95ec-4d1f74c0ae57/...

I have not heard of the Snowy environment being "fixed". Wink
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Reply #115 - Today at 10:14am
 
Australia will face pressure from the UK to set an ambitious goal after Keir Starmer’s Labour government committed to cut emissions by 81 per cent by 2035. *


Australia’s 2030 climate target, to cut emissions from 2005 levels by 43 per cent by 2030, is viewed as a relatively modest aim as it does not comply with the objective of the Paris Agreement for nations to commit to action consistent with limiting global warming to under 2 degrees.

Australia’s Climate Change Authority is currently considering responses to a draft target it issued in April to reduce emissions by 65 to 75 per cent by 2035.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-to-delay-2035-climate-targe...


* In the UK Nuclear power is a significant percentage of the yearly electricity source.
They are building more Nuclear plants.


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https://grid.iamkate.com/
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Reply #116 - Today at 11:43am
 
Does anyone know how that works, if a British owned company with manufacturing plants overseas but profits go to  Britain, are their emissions counted as British or the country where the manufacturing is done.
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Reply #119 - Today at 11:59am
 
lee wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:30pm:
So much for debate. You can't even point to where I have said it. You are just making schit up as usual. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
 

Now you are actually denying your claim that AGW-CO2 is a "hoax" , and that  fossil pollution is not injurious to health.

You are the ultimate fraud. 

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And where have they got it right? Peak oil? No. Peak Coal - No. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Dummy, you said economics is not a science, I agree; as to peak oil,  it depends on discoveries of new oil and whether we leave it in the ground or not.
Your lack of logic is egregious; estimates of peak oil are also related to political decisions re transitioning from oil. 

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Oh, only attempting to solve. So they haven't done it in the decades they have been attempting, but you still believe. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


"believe"....what? That economies function spontaneously without design by economists? 

Dummy, economists study resource mobilization and distribution; obviously politics is a factor.

[I promote a major role for government plannng in the economy, because there is no shortage of resources which woud actually enforce poverty, ie. poverty is a political  choice benefitting the wealthy.

"Markets are good servants, but a poor master, and  a worse religion": Amory Lovins]

But obsolete orthodox economists insist a carbon tax will  most efficiently engender the transition to a green economy - despite making electricity even more unaffordable for the poor.

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You haven't pointed out any unscientific fallacies
 

Too funny; a range of AGW-CO2 projections  arrived at by scientific consensus isn't unscientific, even if not absolute  like scientific laws of physics;  and correlations between fossil use and harm to health ARE based on scientific observation. 

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... and estimate deaths are ... guess work. Something on which you rely. Poor dummy. Roll Eyes


Not guess work;  you ran away from the studies which have shown a positive correlation between poverty and youth crime, BECAUSE you can't grasp the meaning of projections and estimates based on proven correlations.

eg, estimates of savings to the community if poverty and associated youth crime are reduced by effective intervention.

Or - closer to the topic of this thread - estimates of the  quantity of  pumped hydro storage required, as we approach 100% renewables, estimates which will be firmed-up (pun?) as we approach 100% renewables...despite your low IQ assertion 100% renewables are impossible "because PVs wear out".

Excess storage of free solar and wind energy means the replacement PVs etc can be manufactured as required, using renewable energy.   

Nuclear may be required in some countries, but not in Oz......which is not to deny the last unit of elecricity to be added to the Oz grid might be cheaper via an always on  nuclear plant than by adding more excess renewables storage  (batteries/ puped hydro).


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