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Question: Who has the better energy plan?

Coalition    
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Don't know    
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Total votes: 16
« Created by: Armchair_Politician on: Dec 13th, 2024 at 4:44pm »

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Reply #165 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 5:50pm
 
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Who said reducing income tax? I said a payment to taxpayers, which is income tax exempt from the government. At least those cost-of-living payments so far have been. And you think that won't continue?


I would have to know what you are talking about to answer your questions Lee. All I see is a pool of dribble under your chin, completely unrelated to the topic we are discussing.

lee wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 5:10pm:
Even if that carbon tax is somehow distributed to the taxpayers generally, it is a subsidy on their costs.


The easiest way to distribute it to taxpayers generally is to reduce income tax Lee. Not sure how you manage to turn that into some kind of subsidy. Do you have a problem with tax cuts, or are you just dribbling?
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Re: Nuclear power to cost almost half ALP renewables
Reply #166 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 6:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 5:50pm:
The easiest way to distribute it to taxpayers generally is to reduce income tax Lee.


And yet that is something they haven't done with the cost-of-living payments. Perhaps you can explain why not? Wink

freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 5:50pm:
Not sure how you manage to turn that into some kind of subsidy.


You are the one calling them tax cuts, not me. Roll Eyes
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Reply #167 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 6:59pm
 
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #168 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 7:15pm
 
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And yet that is something they haven't done with the cost-of-living payments. Perhaps you can explain why not?


Because they are two different things Lee. Do I need to explain everything the government has ever done to get you to stop dribbling? Do I need to explain why building roads is not a tax cut?

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You are the one calling them tax cuts


I am calling tax cuts tax cuts Lee. What are you calling them? And why do you think income tax cuts are such a bad thing that you try to twist them into a subsidy?

lee wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 5:10pm:
Even if that carbon tax is somehow distributed to the taxpayers generally, it is a subsidy on their costs.


The easiest way to distribute it to taxpayers generally is to reduce income tax Lee. Not sure how you manage to turn that into some kind of subsidy. Do you have a problem with tax cuts, or are you just dribbling? And what do you think is being subsidised?
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Re: Nuclear power to cost almost half ALP renewables
Reply #169 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 7:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 7:15pm:
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And yet that is something they haven't done with the cost-of-living payments. Perhaps you can explain why not?

Because they are two different things Lee.


And yet that is precisely what the energy component of the cost-of living payment is. You seem very confused. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 7:15pm:
I am calling tax cuts tax cuts Lee.


And yet there is no government call for further tax cuts. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 7:15pm:
The easiest way to distribute it to taxpayers generally is to reduce income tax Lee. Not sure how you manage to turn that into some kind of subsidy. Do you have a problem with tax cuts, or are you just dribbling? And what do you think is being subsidised?


Oh dear. Mindless repetition. Roll Eyes
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Reply #170 - Dec 27th, 2024 at 7:41pm
 
Only allowed 3 strikes for repetition, then it's trolling.
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Reply #171 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 12:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 7:15pm:
The easiest way to distribute it to taxpayers generally is to reduce income tax Lee.



Ah, now I see. You are confusing easy with politicians. Wink
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Reply #172 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 9:50am
 
Energy Minister Chris Bowen “weaponised” the public service by instructing his department to produce “entirely flawed” figures to allege Peter Dutton’s nuclear energy plan would see a 49 per cent electricity shortfall by 2035, the Coalition claims.

Mr Bowen in September last year said “detailed government analysis of (Australian Energy Market Operator) forecasts show the Coalition’s plan … will result in massive supply short­ages over the next decade”.

The Department of Climate Change and Energy now says what it did was “not an analysis of the Coalition’s nuclear energy proposals” but an “assumption-driven calculation”.

Those assumptions, it said, were provided by Mr Bowen’s office
. The department, in a response to a question on notice during Senate estimates, revealed those five assumptions about the Coalition’s energy plan and its calculations.



Ah. How did Chwissy Bowels do that.
Let's read on.




Mr Bowen, on the back of those calculations, asserted the Coalition’s energy plan would “result in a staggering 49 per cent gap between demand and the supply available to meet it”.

Frontier Energy managing director Danny Price – whose firm recently released commissioned modelling of the ­Coalition’s nuclear energy plan and had previously advised parties on either side of the political aisle on energy policy – said Mr Bowen “dreamt up his own method” to assert the Coalition’s nuclear energy plan would result in energy shortfalls in a “half-arsed” way that produced a “meaningless bunch of numbers”.

Opposition energy spokesman Ted O’Brien accused Mr Bowen of “weaponising the public service” and the department’s testimony showed “Labor lacks any intellectual argument against the Coalition’s plan”.

Chris Bowen has decided to weaponise the public service by unfairly instructing them to do a calculation based on his own flawed assumptions about the Coalition’s plan and then packaging it up for the Australian public as if it is the calculation of the department itself, as if it’s departmental modelling, but it’s not departmental modelling,” he told The Australian.

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Re: Nuclear power to cost almost half ALP renewables
Reply #173 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 9:52am
 
lee wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 12:35pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 7:15pm:
The easiest way to distribute it to taxpayers generally is to reduce income tax Lee.



Ah, now I see. You are confusing easy with politicians. Wink


Would you consider an income tax cut to be a "subsidy on our costs"?
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Reply #174 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:44am
 
lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 4:27pm:
Libs spent years telling us that about the NBN ... then introduced a third world system that cost twice as much


And Labor?

tried to stop them but were shouted down by murdochs minions
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Re: Nuclear power to cost almost half ALP renewables
Reply #175 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:18pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:44am:
tried to stop them but were shouted down by murdochs minions


Poor Guido. The part you ignored.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Never lets the truth get in the way of his bias.  Wink


lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
"NBN Co's new board conducted a strategic review that contentiously found Labor's plan would have taken three years longer to achieve than previously stated and $29 billion more than forecast.


Just couldn't find a way to refute it. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #176 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:23pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:18pm:
Just couldn't find a way to refute it


your link is paywalled you dumbarse Cheesy


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Reply #177 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:23pm:
your link is paywalled you dumbarse



So the opening two paragraphs don't match? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #178 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:57pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:35pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:23pm:
your link is paywalled you dumbarse



So the opening two paragraphs don't match? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


ohh, i thought you wanted a comment on the article, i didn't realise we were playing word match Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #179 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 1:10pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:57pm:
ohh, i thought you wanted a comment on the article, i didn't realise we were playing word match


Nope. I offered the article. You wanted to comment, but couldn't get past the word "paywalled". You can't even count matches let alone play word match. Wink
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