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Question: Who has the better energy plan?

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Total votes: 16
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Dec 13th, 2024 at 5:02am
 
The first detailed costing of Peter Dutton’s bold plan to add nuclear energy to the power grid forecasts a saving of more than a quarter of a trillion dollars compared to Anthony Albanese’s renewables-heavy strategy.

The Coalition’s proposal favouring reactors across the nation finds that between now and 2050, the price would be $331 billion versus $594bn for Labor’s preferred approach, according to analysis by Frontier Economics to be made public on Friday.

The Opposition’s plan is cheaper due to a lesser need for new transmission infrastructure – relative to what the government is pursuing – and because the cost of the plants could be spread over a 50-year life, as well as an assumption that Australia’s electricity needs will not increase as fast as the ALP is betting, meaning the size of the overall task is reduced.

Ahead of the release of the new costing last night, Mr Dutton vowed the Coalition would deliver “massive savings”.

“This means reduced power bills for households, lower operating costs for small businesses, and a stronger, more resilient economy,” the Opposition leader said.

Energy policy is set to be the most fiercely contested policy area at the next election, which must be held by May.

While the Coalition uses Frontier’s analysis to argue that the nuclear option can combat power price increases, the government is expected to attack the credibility of the new research by seizing on a decision to revise down the cost of Labor’s renewables strategy by nearly $50bn since initial figures were published a month ago.

Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen is also likely to criticise the absence of detail about where the first of seven proposed reactors will be built and what type of technology would be used.

The Coalition has flagged opening nuclear plants on the sites of five currently operating coal-fired power stations. They are Queensland’s Tarong, northwest of Brisbane, and Callide, west of Gladstone, as well as NSW’s Mount Piper near Lithgow, Loy Yang in Victoria’s Latrobe Valley, plus Muja in WA. The two other sites are former coal plants – Liddell in NSW’s Hunter Valley and Port Augusta in South Australia.

Mr Dutton has said that if the Coalition wins the election, two “establishment projects” will be chosen in that term, with electricity to flow from the mid-2030s.

A Liberal-National government would also need to overcome state and federal bans on nuclear energy.

The new Frontier costings assume 13.2 gigawatts of power would come from fission by 2050, slightly less than the Opposition’s stated objective of 14GW.

The calculations are based on nuclear entering as currently operating coal-fired power exits.

The major parties are at odds on timing of coal-plant closures.

Under the path being followed by Labor, nearly all of the existing 21GW of coal-fired power is anticipated to leave the system within a decade.

Frontier’s modelling of the Coalition plan is premised on only a third of the present coal capacity retiring by then.

Coal-plant owners’ stated closure timetables are slightly faster than what Frontier assumes but considerably slower than what the ALP and the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) envision.

Frontier doesn’t identify which coal plants would stay open for longer; the Coalition has not divulged that either, saying only that it isn’t in favour of “premature” shutdowns.

In reality, the Coalition expects replacement nuclear capacity to be turned on for a year or more before a coal plant is decommissioned.

Shadow Energy Minister Ted O’Brien last night said: “Labor’s plan will see 90 per cent of Australia’s 24/7 baseload power forced out of the system by 2034, leaving the grid vulnerable to blackouts and instability.

“In contrast, the Coalition’s approach ensures retiring coal plants are replaced with reliable, zero-emissions nuclear energy, supported by renewables, gas, and storage.”

Still, there would be no power from coal by the late 2040s and less reliance on gas than under the Labor strategy because there would not be the same volume of renewables to “firm”.

By introducing baseload capacity at sites with existing network infrastructure, the new transmission costs of the Opposition plan are kept to $14bn versus $67bn for the government’s pathway, according to Frontier.

By 2050, nuclear would account for eight per cent of capacity but 38 per cent of electricity output because it is always on, the consultancy says in its report.

The Opposition is expected to refute accusations that it is anti-renewables by pointing out that its plan would still see 54 per cent of power derived from wind and solar in 25 years from now, which would require a doubling from current levels.

The government plan relies on renewables providing about three-quarters of Australia’s electricity in the middle of the century.

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Reply #1 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 5:03am
 
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The Coalition is also likely to highlight that even if the cost of nuclear energy turns out to be double what Frontier has forecast, its proposal is still cheaper than Labor’s strategy.

The $331bn cost of the Opposition policy is based on AEMO’s “progressive” scenario, which assumes a lesser rate of growth in demand compared to the “step change” outlook that underpins Labor’s actions. Progressive adopts a global temperature increase of 2.6 degrees Celsius versus 1.8C for step change.

Step change is AEMO’s preferred scenario. It has assigned a 43 per cent likelihood to step change – just one percentage point more than progressive.

Electricity demand under step change is about two-thirds higher in 2050 than for the progressive outlook.

To justify its choice of progressive, the Coalition is expected to note that AEMO has consistently over-estimated demand over more than two decades.

Frontier’s new work shows that if the step change scenario is applied to the Opposition policy, it is still nearly $150bn cheaper than Labor’s strategy.

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Reply #2 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 5:04am
 
Wow, who would've thunk it? All those claims by Labor that nuclear would be too expensive were nothing more than lies from a pathetic scare campaign not based on facts or science and the Coalition plan is actually almost half the price of Labor's while delivering a reliable source of baseload power compared to the unreliability of Labor's horrifyingly expensive fantasy renewables plan.
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Reply #3 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:34am
 


so it's cheaper because they're pretending we won't need as much electricity and because they're spreading the ocst over 50 yrs? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Why didn't they include the cost of securing nuclear waste for the next 100yrs into it's forecasts? Worried they can't fudge their figures?? Grin

How did their costings for the NBN work out?
Paid twice as much for third world infrastructure Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 9:00am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
so it's cheaper because they're pretending we won't need as much electricity and because they're spreading the ocst over 50 yrs? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Why didn't they include the cost of securing nuclear waste for the next 100yrs into it's forecasts? Worried they can't fudge their figures?? Grin

How did their costings for the NBN work out?
Paid twice as much for third world infrastructure Cheesy Cheesy


It's cheaper because it won't need as much investment in terms of new transmission lines, as Labor's expensive and unreliable renewables plan will. It's cheaper because the cost can be spread over at least a 50 year lifespan of a nuclear reactor, unlike Labor's expensive and unreliable renewables plan, because solar panels need replacing every 25 years, batteries need replacing every 5 to 15 years, wind turbines need replacing every 20 years.
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Reply #5 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 11:50am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
so it's cheaper because they're pretending we won't need as much electricity and because they're spreading the ocst over 50 yrs? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



They're spreading the cost over 50 years because that is the average life of a nuclear reactor. Also, the idiots in the ALP are trying to justify their fantasy renewables plan by grossly overestimating the need for electricity in coming years. It's like they suddenly expect Australia to double its industrial electricity needs in the next few decades. Not gonna happen! The plan put forward by Dutton is the more sensible and reasonable approach. Not that I expect you to see the sense in it. All you see is "nuclear = bad" and have no idea as to why you think that other than Labor said so.
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Reply #6 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 4:44pm
 
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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 4:45pm
 
One of Airbus Albo's core election promises was that he would reduce electricity prices by $275. Instead, it's gone up by many times that number under Labor's insane policy on so-called "renewables". Still waiting on my $275, Albo!!!
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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 5:06pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 11:50am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
so it's cheaper because they're pretending we won't need as much electricity and because they're spreading the ocst over 50 yrs? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



They're spreading the cost over 50 years because that is the average life of a nuclear reactor. Also, the idiots in the ALP are trying to justify their fantasy renewables plan by grossly overestimating the need for electricity in coming years. It's like they suddenly expect Australia to double its industrial electricity needs in the next few decades. Not gonna happen! The plan put forward by Dutton is the more sensible and reasonable approach. Not that I expect you to see the sense in it. All you see is "nuclear = bad" and have no idea as to why you think that other than Labor said so.


they need to spread the cost of securing nuclear waste for the next thousand years into their figures if they want to be taken seriously

and nuclear is bad, irrespective of what labor says about it. Only a dumbarse would push for nuclear. Congrats, you qualify.
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Reply #9 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 5:18pm
 
Costing coming up on the news on TV - one thing you can guarantee is that the 'savings' will never appear for the consumer under the current FAILED economic narrative...... trickle-down is in reality a sewer outlet...
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Reply #10 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 5:27pm
 
The choice is not between more subsidised power from renewables vs more subsidised power from nuclear. People keep forgetting that the whole reason for this is to reduce GHG emissions, and there is a far cheaper way to do this - one that actually raises government revenue instead of costing it billions. A carbon tax.
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Reply #11 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 5:31pm
 
Government costings?

When was the last time ANY government project came in on budget or even on time?

Arguing over which government plan will be cheaper is a complete waste of time.

It’s the argument both parties want to avoid questions over the privatisation of the new grid.

The current private business model favours the companies not the customers.
Unless that’s changed it won’t matter which path we take as we will continue to be worse off compared to a public owned electricity supplier.
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Reply #14 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 5:27pm:
People keep forgetting that the whole reason for this is to reduce GHG emissions, and there is a far cheaper way to do this - one that actually raises government revenue instead of costing it billions. A carbon tax.


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