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Dec 13th, 2024 at 8:21am
 
Is revealed by his top 10 most popular episodes.

10. Russell Brand
  9. Katt Williams
  8. Graham Hancock and Randall Carson
  7. Randall Carson
  6. Graham Hancock
  6. Alex Jones and Tim Dillon
  4. Elon Musk
  3. Edward Snowden
  2. Donald Trump
  1. Bob Lazar and Jeremy Corbell

The bolded italics are outright conspiracy theorists of the paranoid kind.

The bolded are secondary conspiracy theorists whose main focus is 'alternative science'.

Only one is a stand-up comedian (two if you count Trump).

These episodes have to-date amassed view counts from 21 million to 62 million on YouTube alone, totalling 337 million.


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Reply #1 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:48pm
 
Conspiracies are designed to be deceptively simple, far easier to grasp than the nuanced complexities of reality.

They are typically tailored for individuals who are accustomed to being corrected for drawing incorrect conclusions, whether due to being ill-informed or simply struggling to understand a situation. These corrections often come from family members, teachers, colleagues, or even strangers on the internet who possess a deeper grasp of the subject at hand.

It's humiliating being wrong so often, but worse being called out about it.

For such individuals, being part of a community that validates their beliefs is intoxicating. It provides a sense of vindication: They finally have the truth, and no one can correct them anymore. This validation feels akin to receiving an overdue embrace from an absent or neglectful parent, a form of emotional fulfilment they might have lacked in earlier life.

It’s hardly surprising that this kind of content is so popular on Rogan's pod.

Conspiracies are crafted to appeal to the Rogan-style audience: simplified for mass consumption and delivering a potent dopamine hit of self-assuredness. When someone believes they’ve been proven “right,” it feels deeply rewarding, irrespective of the accuracy of their conclusions.

As someone who’s subscribed to his podcast for years, I understand the appeal. I don’t listen to every episode, but I tune in when he hosts guests I find interesting. His platform, however, often amplifies narratives that are far easier to monetise than rigorous science or critical thinking.

The unfortunate truth is that there’s little financial incentive in promoting real science.

While there are exceptional science communicators doing admirable work, the lack of controversy means they rarely attract significant sponsorships or public attention. Unlike pseudoscience and conspiracies, real science doesn’t thrive on polarising headlines or free publicity, it simply presents the evidence, without the drama.

For those interested, here are some science communicators I personally enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/@AsapSCIENCE
https://www.youtube.com/@besmart
https://www.youtube.com/@CleoAbram
https://www.youtube.com/@Computerphile
https://www.youtube.com/@kurzgesagt
https://www.youtube.com/@kylehill
https://www.youtube.com/@MarkRober
https://www.youtube.com/@ncalib
https://www.youtube.com/@NileRed
https://www.youtube.com/@numberphile
https://www.youtube.com/@pbsspacetime
https://www.youtube.com/@physicsgirl (She's battling long COVID which is a sad)
https://www.youtube.com/@therealsamreid
https://www.youtube.com/@SciManDan
https://www.youtube.com/@SciShow
https://www.youtube.com/@scishowspace
https://www.youtube.com/@smartereveryday
https://www.youtube.com/@veritasium
https://www.youtube.com/@Vsauce
https://www.youtube.com/@Vsauce2
https://www.youtube.com/@Vsauce3

However, they don’t provoke the same visceral, emotional reaction from their audience. In fact, more often than not, they present information that challenges deeply held beliefs, forcing viewers to confront the uncomfortable reality that they might have been wrong, the opposite of Rogan highlighting an easy conspiracy to understand no matter how outlandish it is.

This dynamic makes it clear why Rogan’s top 10 episodes resonate the way they do. His content feeds confirmation bias and emotional gratification, while genuine scientific inquiry demands introspection and intellectual effort, qualities that, unfortunately, don’t drive mass appeal.
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Reply #2 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:49pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:48pm:
Conspiracies are designed to be deceptively simple, far easier to grasp than the nuanced complexities of reality.



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Couldn't read further, sorry. Tears of laughter, designed to blur my vision,  interposed. Will persevere when the mirth abated.



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Reply #3 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:01pm
 
We all start out as conspiracy theorists...

All children believe some people/things are out to get them - bullies, teachers, monsters under the bed who have conned mum and dad they don't exist... etc... etc... etc...

Kids also easily believe in magic and the existence of mystical beings...

Some of us attain adulthood with these belief capacities intact, some are just schitzy, while others feel a genuine exhilaration in believing the unbelievable or barely believable - Rogan is of the last kind or, at least, has evolved into it.

Rogan has interviewed too many convincing scientists - experts in their field, to be naive about what he chooses to believe... but, it seems that mundane explanations are not for him and the expert guest is usually met with a slight degree of despondency or boredom from Rogan - although he is remarkably skilled at not making it too obvious.




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Reply #4 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:05pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:48pm:
Conspiracies are designed to be deceptively simple, far easier to grasp than the nuanced complexities of reality.

They are typically tailored for individuals who are accustomed to being corrected for drawing incorrect conclusions, whether due to being ill-informed or simply struggling to understand a situation. These corrections often come from family members, teachers, colleagues, or even strangers on the internet who possess a deeper grasp of the subject at hand.

It's humiliating being wrong so often, but worse being called out about it.

For such individuals, being part of a community that validates their beliefs is intoxicating. It provides a sense of vindication: They finally have the truth, and no one can correct them anymore. This validation feels akin to receiving an overdue embrace from an absent or neglectful parent, a form of emotional fulfilment they might have lacked in earlier life.

It’s hardly surprising that this kind of content is so popular on Rogan's pod.

Conspiracies are crafted to appeal to the Rogan-style audience: simplified for mass consumption and delivering a potent dopamine hit of self-assuredness. When someone believes they’ve been proven “right,” it feels deeply rewarding, irrespective of the accuracy of their conclusions.

As someone who’s subscribed to his podcast for years, I understand the appeal. I don’t listen to every episode, but I tune in when he hosts guests I find interesting. His platform, however, often amplifies narratives that are far easier to monetise than rigorous science or critical thinking.

The unfortunate truth is that there’s little financial incentive in promoting real science.

While there are exceptional science communicators doing admirable work, the lack of controversy means they rarely attract significant sponsorships or public attention. Unlike pseudoscience and conspiracies, real science doesn’t thrive on polarising headlines or free publicity, it simply presents the evidence, without the drama.

For those interested, here are some science communicators I personally enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/@AsapSCIENCE
https://www.youtube.com/@besmart
https://www.youtube.com/@CleoAbram
https://www.youtube.com/@Computerphile
https://www.youtube.com/@kurzgesagt
https://www.youtube.com/@kylehill
https://www.youtube.com/@MarkRober
https://www.youtube.com/@ncalib
https://www.youtube.com/@NileRed
https://www.youtube.com/@numberphile
https://www.youtube.com/@pbsspacetime
https://www.youtube.com/@physicsgirl (She's battling long COVID which is a sad)
https://www.youtube.com/@therealsamreid
https://www.youtube.com/@SciManDan
https://www.youtube.com/@SciShow
https://www.youtube.com/@scishowspace
https://www.youtube.com/@smartereveryday
https://www.youtube.com/@veritasium
https://www.youtube.com/@Vsauce
https://www.youtube.com/@Vsauce2
https://www.youtube.com/@Vsauce3

However, they don’t provoke the same visceral, emotional reaction from their audience. In fact, more often than not, they present information that challenges deeply held beliefs, forcing viewers to confront the uncomfortable reality that they might have been wrong, the opposite of Rogan highlighting an easy conspiracy to understand no matter how outlandish it is.

This dynamic makes it clear why Rogan’s top 10 episodes resonate the way they do. His content feeds confirmation bias and emotional gratification, while genuine scientific inquiry demands introspection and intellectual effort, qualities that, unfortunately, don’t drive mass appeal.


every truth is but a half truth.

rogan is an entertainer and great communicator and doesnt pretend to be anything more.

and what are we to make of science when it sells out to the financer of the science

when kelloggs and coca cola fund all the science around nutrition?
when the heads of the FDA nearly all end up working for big pharma?


The biotech industry’s web of attempts to buy credibility, by laundering its messages through supposedly independent academic scientists, is unraveling and beginning to reveal the influence of a huge amount of industry money on the independence of academic agricultural science. Some of this process was revealed recently in The New York Times. Many of these efforts to influence policy or public opinion start with industry staff emails, including suggested topics, points, and themes, which are then laundered through the credibility of academic scientists. It is a matter of academic scientists promoting positions and arguments of the industry, not merely a sharing of positions that each party already held and were acting on.

The emails from several academic scientists linked in the NYT article show numerous instances of industry personnel, such as Eric Sachs of Monsanto, in ongoing dialogue with academic scientists, including strategizing about how to influence policy and how academic scientists can carry out industry desires.

A deeper dive into the emails coming forward through this article and from U.S. Right to Know public disclosure efforts shows a broader and more troubling picture of influence peddling in the agricultural sciences.

The overriding issue is the huge amount of money from the biotech and ...
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Reply #5 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:08pm
 
and industrial agriculture industries pouring into public universities, and the corrosive effect all that money is having on the independence of science. Evidence suggests that biotech industry influence is a pervasive problem, corrupting science and distorting public discussion. It extends much farther than the specific examples provided by the New York Times article. As with the climate change debate, where a powerful fossil fuel industry is slowing response to an environmental and social disaster, the biotech industry and industrial agriculture more broadly is delaying choices that would move us toward an urgently needed sustainable and just food and agriculture system.

The emails linked to the New York Times article also reveals some of the many other academic scientists, who have vocally supported biotech or panned biotech critics, and were copied on industry emails. We should not implicate scientists in greenwashing or collusion with the biotech industry simply for being copied on emails, or even some communication with companies. It is not clear from these emails whether those other scientists have also engaged in collaboration with the industry, or accepted industry money. But the efforts of many of these scientists to vigorously defend biotechnology or even attack critics have been documented elsewhere.

There is no reason to think this money buys less influence in academia than the widely recognized corrupting influence that money has on politics. Unlike academic science though, no one has illusions that our political process is objective. The perceived objectivity of academic scientists presents a huge opportunity for the biotech industry to influence public opinion in ways it could not accomplish otherwise.

A Tangled Web

Since the NYT article was published, several of these scientists have doubled down, saying that they have been proud to serve a cause they believe in. And I have no reason to doubt their sincerity. These scientists are effective in their spokesperson roles in part because of their backgrounds in molecular biology, the deep interest in which preceded their involvement with the ag biotech industry.

But this misses the point, which is that the collaboration with industry, its public relations machines, such as Ketchum, and access to industry dollars, allows these scientists to amplify their voices with the journalists and the media, the public, and policymakers way beyond what could otherwise occur.

As one small example, Bruce Chassy, an emeritus professor at the University of Illinois, bemoans the challenges of flying economy class (all he can afford, he says) to participate as an invited speaker at a biotech conference in New Delhi. He strongly implies he would not endure such tribulations, and would skip the meeting without industry support. In an August 29, 2011 email to Eric Sachs of Monsanto, he suggests that the ag industry trade group CropLife, of which Monsanto and other biotech companies are members, pay his way (Chassy was listed as a speaker at the event). In a separate email, Monsanto’s Sachs also suggests to Chassy that he participate in an American Medical Association meeting to try to dissuade the AMA from supporting mandatory labeling of GE foods.

That academic scientists recognize the value of their perceived independence is suggested in an email from University of Florida Scientist Kevin Folta to Monsanto’s Keith Reding, Regulatory Policy Lead, on April 17, 2013: “keep me in mind if you ever need a good public interface with no corporate ties. That knows the subject inside out and can think on his feet [emphasis added].”

In another example from the NYT article, Dow reminds David Shaw, a Mississippi State University weed scientist, of its generosity. And an email to Shaw on Jan 17, 2012 from John Jachetta, Government affairs leader at Dow AgroSciences, urges Shaw to submit comments to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) to approve Dow’s Enlist soybeans, and provides three pages of helpful suggestions about topics and arguments. The Enlist crops are resistant to glyphosate and 2,4-D herbicides, and are the industry’s response to the epidemic of glyphosate resistant weeds caused by the first generation of glyphosate resistant crops. This strategy has been criticized as futile and one that will lead to greatly increased herbicide use and more herbicide resistance.

In a February 20, 2012 email from Shaw back to Jachetta, Shaw supplies his draft comments and asks for feedback from Dow.

In several emails in the spring of 2013, John Sorteres of Monsanto coordinates activities with both Shaw and, apparently, Prof. Mike Owen, a weed scientist at Iowa State University, on how to counter public comments to APHIS that argue against approval of Monsanto’s dicamba resistant crops, including detailed arguments and analyses. Dicamba is an herbicide similar to 2,4-D.

An August 30, 2013 email from Mississippi State acknowledges unrestricted gifts from Monsanto to Dr. Shaw and four other faculty members.
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Reply #6 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:12pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:05pm:
rogan is an entertainer and great communicator and doesnt pretend to be anything more.


Yes, he says that, but he knows his audience reach and yet does not take that into account when he starts winging it on subjects he knows that he knows nothing about, or when he repeats half-arsed understood facts he's gleaned from informed, expert guests, gets it all wrong, then laughs it off... rinse and repeat.




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Reply #7 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:48pm:
Conspiracies are designed to be deceptively simple, far easier to grasp than the nuanced complexities of reality.



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Couldn't read further, sorry. Tears of laughter, designed to blur my vision,  interposed. Will persevere when the mirth abated.


You choose not to read any further because it hits too close to home.

But blame me all you like, you were always going to if the reality of the situation was unpalatable.

Can you suggest another aim one might have when crafting a conspiracy?
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Reply #8 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:16pm
 
You're confusing science with capitalism Scoot.
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Reply #9 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:21pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:16pm:
You're confusing science with capitalism Scoot.



so are all the scientists at the various regulatory authorities  Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:52pm
 
One of the few times Rogan publicly showed more than a bit of humility over one of his cock-ups was during and after the interview with Australian Josh Szeps over instances of myocarditis in unvaccinated boys over vaccinated ones.

Rogan maintained that there was a greater risk of boys developing myocarditis after vaccination than before.

Szeps corrected Rogan and, when Rogan did a 'pull that up, Jamie', he found Szeps was right. - boys were 8 times more likely to get myocarditis from covid than from the vaccine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_31l9XIzswI

Rogan later tweeted 'that video was cringy, but it's what happens when you stumble in a long-form podcast when you don't know a subject was going to come up and you wing it'

Gee, Joe... maybe just don't wing it on subjects as serious as that!
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Reply #11 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 6:05pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:15pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:48pm:
Conspiracies are designed to be deceptively simple, far easier to grasp than the nuanced complexities of reality.



Grin Grin Grin
Couldn't read further, sorry. Tears of laughter, designed to blur my vision,  interposed. Will persevere when the mirth abated.


You choose not to read any further because it hits too close to home.

But blame me all you like, you were always going to if the reality of the situation was unpalatable.

Can you suggest another aim one might have when crafting a conspiracy?



You are a laughable, pompous fool, as is Meister Icky.

Your take on Rogan itself Is a conspiracy theory.  You po-faced perpetual complainers make it out as a conspiracy when a bloke just lets people who want to talk to him, talk. He doesnt pretend to be  a ****ing sage like the pair of you, yet more people listen to him than you, the ABC with that other Sad Whatsis as its Chair and the rest.

So here you are, silly old remnants, smelling conspiracy theories!
No. You are just boring. Pontificating, "Look at me, instead,  I know better" Bbwianesque types are boring. It's not a conspiracy.
You are not compelling. It's not the other guy's fault.

Think of something, ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, that we didn't read or hear on the ABC or Granuiad 3 days ago. Go on.

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Reply #12 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 6:06pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 6:05pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:15pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:48pm:
Conspiracies are designed to be deceptively simple, far easier to grasp than the nuanced complexities of reality.



Grin Grin Grin
Couldn't read further, sorry. Tears of laughter, designed to blur my vision,  interposed. Will persevere when the mirth abated.


You choose not to read any further because it hits too close to home.

But blame me all you like, you were always going to if the reality of the situation was unpalatable.

Can you suggest another aim one might have when crafting a conspiracy?



You are a laughable, pompous fool, as is Meister Icky.

Your take on Rogan itself Is a conspiracy theory.  You po-faced perpetual complainers make it out as a conspiracy when a bloke just lets people who want to talk to him, talk. He doesnt pretend to be  a ****ing sage like the pair of you, yet more people listen to him than you, the ABC with that other Sad Whatsis as its Chair and the rest.

So here you are, silly old remnants, smelling conspiracy theories!
No. You are just boring. Pontificating, "Look at me, instead,  I know better" Bbwianesque types are boring. It's not a conspiracy.
You are not compelling. It's not the other guy's fault.

Think of something, ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, that we didn't read or hear on the ABC or Granuiad 3 days ago. Go on.



Is your local bottle shop having some sort of crazy pre-Christmas sale?

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Reply #13 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 6:16pm
 
Hilarious when a poster blasts other posters for being pompous with bitchy old-womanish pomposity.

Agatha, much?
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Reply #14 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 6:40pm
 
Thank you for conspicuously avoiding the point.

Did you not understand it?  Of course you did.
That is why you immediately switched. No other reason at all. It was predictably stupid years ago, it is predictably stupid now. It is all you - predictably stupid. Sad, icky, turdy flapper, Bbwiyawn -  same mental universe.




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Your take on Rogan itself Is a conspiracy theory.  You po-faced perpetual complainers make it out as a conspiracy when a bloke just lets people who want to talk to him, talk. He doesnt pretend to be  a ****ing sage like the pair of you, yet more people listen to him than you, the ABC with that other Sad Whatsis as its Chair and the rest.


Run from that.



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