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Reply #45 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:34am:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:42pm:
Yes Bobby. Can you tell the difference between the two statements?



No - I can't tell the difference -

because -

money printing = inflation.




Can you explain why the RBA always seems to be "printing" more money when inflation is at its lowest? And the least when inflation is highest?

Or is that the extent of your understanding?


I don't understand it.
I don't see why they keep on printing money other than to cover the arses of the politicians
who spend more money than they have and couldn't give a  bugger about the inflation they cause
which wipes out peoples savings.

I know one Melbourne suburb where Unit prices went up 27% in one year -
approx. - June 2022 to June 2023.
If you would have had money in the bank it
you would have lost 27% of its buying value in one year from all their money printing.
ohh - and the mass uncontrolled, unwanted immigration also put pressure on prices too -
rents went up too in that suburb by 27% in that time.

Inflation is absolutely out of control - it's not 3% or 5% or whatever their bullshit says.
Why doesn't the RBA apologise and say they will stop printing money?
They never accept responsibility for that inflation but they caused it.

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Reply #46 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:21pm
 
It's called macroeconomics 101 Bobby. You should understand it before trying to educate other people about printing money.
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Reply #47 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
It's called macroeconomics 101 Bobby. You should understand it before trying to educate other people about printing money.


Why doesn't the RBA apologise and say they will stop printing money?
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Reply #48 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm
 
I want to see Michele Bullock - the chief of the RBA to get up on stage
and make a groveling apology to the people of Australia.
I want to see tears run down her face as she takes the blame for people
losing a large percentage of their life savings from inflation and
admit that the RBA caused it while she was a senior employee there and voted for
all the money printing they did and still do.
I want her to admit that the interest rates are high and that is destroying
the lives of millions of mortgage holders as they go without essentials to pay the banks
for their mortgage every month -
some even sell at a loss and owe the banks money.

Then I want her to promise to stop printing money -
which would instantly stop inflation and lower mortgage rates -
she could solve high inflation over night if she wanted to.
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Re: Australia on verge of recession
Reply #49 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:34pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
It's called macroeconomics 101 Bobby. You should understand it before trying to educate other people about printing money.


Why doesn't the RBA apologise and say they will stop printing money?


They have no reason to. If the only people demanding they do so do not understand economics, then it is a good thing that they completely ignore them. It is not the RBA's responsibility to teach people who keep talking about something they refuse to understand.
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Re: Australia on verge of recession
Reply #50 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:34pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
It's called macroeconomics 101 Bobby. You should understand it before trying to educate other people about printing money.


Why doesn't the RBA apologise and say they will stop printing money?


They have no reason to. If the only people demanding they do so do not understand economics, then it is a good thing that they completely ignore them. It is not the RBA's responsibility to teach people who keep talking about something they refuse to understand.




https://www.clearfinances.net/countries-without-public-debt/

Most Western countries have grown accustomed to issuing debt to finance their operations.
But that is not a requirement.
We will analyze 10 great countries without any significant public debt.


Switzerland
Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Czech Republic
Estonia
Singapore
Taiwan
South Korea
Russia


Public debt is one of the great problems of our era. The existing debt load is unprecedented. And what is worse, it has been accumulated to finance short-term spending. We have nothing to show for it.

In the past, the only reason a country took on a significant amount of debt was because an exogenous event taking place, such as a world war. And the will to defend their county made governments willing to spend recklessly.

However, the debt governments have taken on in recent decades have mostly been used to finance frivolous spending. In other words, instead of living within our means, we have opted to continually go into debt, not worrying about how that debt would be paid back in the future.

The population has shown a high degree of ignorance and selfishness. And politicians have taken advantage of that, making promises to the public with the only goal of being elected to office.

The result is that virtually all the world’s major economies are in a very vulnerable situation. Many officials try to justify it with the argument that high public debt is the price for having a developed economy. But that could not be further from the truth.
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Reply #51 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:53pm
 
Are you aware that you are changing the topic Bobby?
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Re: Australia on verge of recession
Reply #52 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:53pm:
Are you aware that you are changing the topic Bobby?



It's the same -
when the Govt creates money via the RBA -  they have to pay it back.

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Reply #53 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 12:09pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
Then I want her to promise to stop printing money -
which would instantly stop inflation and lower mortgage rates -
she could solve high inflation over night if she wanted to.


Currently - as the Treasurer (Chalmers) noted today (did you watch it?) - government spending is the only reason Oz in not in recession.

Do you know what a recession means for the people who lose their jobs?

btw, the Treasurer said his budget will reduce interest payments on government debt going forward; but not one journalist had the nous to ask why does a currency-issuing government have to borrow from (sell bonds to)  the private sector at all? 

Selling bonds to rich people/institutions who don't need government money in the form of interest payments on their spare cash is immoral, while government still can't "afford" to properly support people forced to live on below-poverty level jobseeker payments (aka ....ironically....as "welfare").

Chalmers properly  defended his budget which was conceived in the rotten financial system he is working under, rebuking the baying dogs from the opposition who demand a massive 'slash and burn' budget which would force many (not their own sorry arses, of course)  into absolute poverty, not just a cost-of-living crisis.   


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Re: Australia on verge of recession
Reply #54 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 12:28pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:34pm:
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We will analyze 10 great countries without any significant public debt.


Switzerland
Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Czech Republic
Estonia
Singapore
Taiwan
South Korea
Russia


You want to pay higher taxes? Or receive Russian levels of social payments?


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The population has shown a high degree of ignorance and selfishness. And politicians have taken advantage of that, making promises to the public with the only goal of being elected to office.

The result is that virtually all the world’s major economies are in a very vulnerable situation. Many officials try to justify it with the argument that high public debt is the price for having a developed economy. But that could not be further from the truth.


Certainly the current financial system is dysfunctional.

But how can governments support the losers in the competitive, neoliberal freemarket without increasing taxes or borrowing?

Free markets are not  regulated to ensure everyone can prosper...
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Reply #55 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 1:18pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 12:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
Then I want her to promise to stop printing money -
which would instantly stop inflation and lower mortgage rates -
she could solve high inflation over night if she wanted to.


Currently - as the Treasurer (Chalmers) noted today (did you watch it?) - government spending is the only reason Oz in not in recession.

Do you know what a recession means for the people who lose their jobs?

btw, the Treasurer said his budget will reduce interest payments on government debt going forward; but not one journalist had the nous to ask why does a currency-issuing government have to borrow from (sell bonds to)  the private sector at all? 

Selling bonds to rich people/institutions who don't need government money in the form of interest payments on their spare cash is immoral, while government still can't "afford" to properly support people forced to live on below-poverty level jobseeker payments (aka ....ironically....as "welfare").

Chalmers properly  defended his budget which was conceived in the rotten financial system he is working under, rebuking the baying dogs from the opposition who demand a massive 'slash and burn' budget which would force many (not their own sorry arses, of course)  into absolute poverty, not just a cost-of-living crisis.   




Does Jim Chalmers even understand how the financial system works?
He's not an economist.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Chalmers

He attended Catholic schools before going on to Griffith University,
where he completed the degrees of Bachelor of Arts and
Bachelor of Communication and
attained a First Class honours degree in public policy.[4]
He went on to complete a PhD in political science at the Australian National University,
writing his doctoral thesis on the prime ministership of Paul Keating
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Reply #56 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 1:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:58pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:53pm:
Are you aware that you are changing the topic Bobby?



It's the same -
when the Govt creates money via the RBA -  they have to pay it back.



Who to?
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Reply #57 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 2:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 1:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:58pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:53pm:
Are you aware that you are changing the topic Bobby?



It's the same -
when the Govt creates money via the RBA -  they have to pay it back.



Who to?



To whoever buys the Govt. Bonds.  -
often the Banks -
I think they are the main customers.

Anything else you'd like to know?
I'm always glad to be of assistance.
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Reply #58 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 2:57pm
 
The official cash rate is pretty much independent of total government debt. For example, during the Howard years, federal government debt reached fairly low levels, but they still kept the bond market going.
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Reply #59 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 4:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 12:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
Then I want her to promise to stop printing money -
which would instantly stop inflation and lower mortgage rates -
she could solve high inflation over night if she wanted to.


Currently - as the Treasurer (Chalmers) noted today (did you watch it?) - government spending is the only reason Oz in not in recession.

Do you know what a recession means for the people who lose their jobs?

btw, the Treasurer said his budget will reduce interest payments on government debt going forward; but not one journalist had the nous to ask why does a currency-issuing government have to borrow from (sell bonds to)  the private sector at all? 

Selling bonds to rich people/institutions who don't need government money in the form of interest payments on their spare cash is immoral, while government still can't "afford" to properly support people forced to live on below-poverty level jobseeker payments (aka ....ironically....as "welfare").

Chalmers properly  defended his budget which was conceived in the rotten financial system he is working under, rebuking the baying dogs from the opposition who demand a massive 'slash and burn' budget which would force many (not their own sorry arses, of course)  into absolute poverty, not just a cost-of-living crisis.   



Does Jim Chalmers even understand how the financial system works?
He's not an economist.


He's certainly doing  his best to stay onside with Bullock who IS an economist (for what it's worth - not).

But you have revealed (in this thread) that that question coming from you is hilarious.....





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