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◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈
Dec 13th, 2024 at 3:13pm
 
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Second Amendment advocates urge Trump to leash the ATF,
& pick a Pro-Gun Director.




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Advocates of the Second Amendment are pushing the incoming Trump Administration to dismantle anti-gun policies erected by the Biden White House and rein in Washington’s firearms regulatory agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives...the ATF.

Several gun groups have asked President-elect Donald Trump to abolish the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention when he returns to the Oval Office.

Trump is expected to comply.

Lawrence Keane, the senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the industry representative, said, “Nowhere else, within the U.S. government, are taxpayers forced to fund efforts to denigrate their rights protected by the law. This office was established to appease the special-interest gun control lobby and donors.”

Trump is also being pressured to abolish or limit the authority of the ATF. The agency under Biden has become a regulations-heavy anti-gun outfit that targets gun sellers and has been trying to regulate commonly used and owned firearms.

In a speech at a National Rifle Association outdoors convention in Pennsylvania earlier this year, Trump promised action. “Every single Biden attack on gun owners and manufacturers will be terminated my very first week back in office, perhaps my first day,” he said.

On Capitol Hill, Republicans are feeling more confident they will have a partner in the White House to limit the power of the ATF and the major law it enforces, the National Firearms Act. That act forces the buyers of short-barrelled rifles and suppressors, for example, to register those items and pay a special tax.



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Reply #2 - Dec 13th, 2024 at 3:20pm
 
About time those who seek to ‘white ant’ the Constitution were reined in.
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President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support.

He has since reiterated his promise.

The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states.

Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely.

Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements.

President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so. 

It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish.



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Reply #6 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 2:07pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
President Trump has promised to ...


Well, if there's one thing we know about Trump it's that he keeps his promises

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Reply #8 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 3:24pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
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Second Amendment advocates urge Trump to leash the ATF,
& pick a Pro-Gun Director.




Source:      
The Washington Examiner
       Quote:
Advocates of the Second Amendment are pushing the incoming Trump Administration to dismantle anti-gun policies erected by the Biden White House and rein in Washington’s firearms regulatory agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives...the ATF.

Several gun groups have asked President-elect Donald Trump to abolish the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention when he returns to the Oval Office.

Trump is expected to comply.

Lawrence Keane, the senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the industry representative, said, “Nowhere else, within the U.S. government, are taxpayers forced to fund efforts to denigrate their rights protected by the law. This office was established to appease the special-interest gun control lobby and donors.”

Trump is also being pressured to abolish or limit the authority of the ATF. The agency under Biden has become a regulations-heavy anti-gun outfit that targets gun sellers and has been trying to regulate commonly used and owned firearms.

In a speech at a National Rifle Association outdoors convention in Pennsylvania earlier this year, Trump promised action. “Every single Biden attack on gun owners and manufacturers will be terminated my very first week back in office, perhaps my first day,” he said.

On Capitol Hill, Republicans are feeling more confident they will have a partner in the White House to limit the power of the ATF and the major law it enforces, the National Firearms Act. That act forces the buyers of short-barrelled rifles and suppressors, for example, to register those items and pay a special tax.



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Abolish gun violence prevention, is it?

That could work. Next time there's a mass shooting, the White House spokesperson can come out and praise the shooter's aim.

God bless America, no?
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Reply #9 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 3:35pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
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President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support.

He has since reiterated his promise.

The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states.

Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely.

Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements.

President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so. 

It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish.



God Bless
The United States Constitution
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Excuse me, did you just say states have firearm regulations?

That citizens must have a license to carry a Magnum 44 in a shoulder strap or a two-shot Derringer in their boot?

Sounds a little unconstitutional to me, dear. How could states possibly have laws?

Ridiculous. Mr Trump should do no such thing. If Congress puts a firearm regulation on his desk, he needs to tear it up and throw it in the bin (like he does with most of his papers). Your beloved Constitution gives all Americans the right to bear arms, period. There are no ifs or buts. You have been most clear on this.

Strangely, your Constitution also allows the Vice Prez to overturn presidential elections, but we won't go there, it's a little bit controversial.

LAWFARE !!!
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Reply #10 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 4:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 3:35pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
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President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support.

He has since reiterated his promise.

The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states.

Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely.

Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements.

President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so. 

It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish.



God Bless
The United States Constitution
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https://imgur.com/3m8TicF.gifhttps://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gifhttps://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif



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Excuse me, did you just say states have firearm regulations?

That citizens must have a license to carry a Magnum 44 in a shoulder strap or a two-shot Derringer in their boot?

Sounds a little unconstitutional to me, dear. How could states possibly have laws?


Ridiculous. Mr Trump should do no such thing. If Congress puts a firearm regulation on his desk, he needs to tear it up and throw it in the bin (like he does with most of his papers). Your beloved Constitution gives all Americans the right to bear arms, period. There are no ifs or buts. You have been most clear on this.

Strangely, your Constitution also allows the Vice Prez to overturn presidential elections, but we won't go there, it's a little bit controversial.

LAWFARE !!!


All points, your initial Constitutionality statements/questions regarding firearms, & your "controversial" matter in your final Constitutionality statement/question, if they were ever properly pursued through the national court system without any acceptable resolution, IMHO a case could eventually land in the hands of the highest court in America, the United States Supreme Court, who upon being requested to determine constitutionality of said issue, would have to decide whether to grant a writ or reject the request for a petitioner's 'writ of certiorari'......SCOTUS will vote on the returning writ & if 4 SCOTUS Justices of the 9 agree to hear it, then & only then will the SCOTUS take on an issue & hear arguments.
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That sounds like the governments and judges of US of Ammunition don't agree with the 2nd Amend.
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Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
About time those who seek to ‘white ant’ the Constitution were reined in.


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Reply #13 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 5:52pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 4:43pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 3:35pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
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President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support.

He has since reiterated his promise.

The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states.

Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely.

Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements.

President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so. 

It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish.



God Bless
The United States Constitution
!!!


https://imgur.com/3m8TicF.gifhttps://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gifhttps://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif



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Excuse me, did you just say states have firearm regulations?

That citizens must have a license to carry a Magnum 44 in a shoulder strap or a two-shot Derringer in their boot?

Sounds a little unconstitutional to me, dear. How could states possibly have laws?


Ridiculous. Mr Trump should do no such thing. If Congress puts a firearm regulation on his desk, he needs to tear it up and throw it in the bin (like he does with most of his papers). Your beloved Constitution gives all Americans the right to bear arms, period. There are no ifs or buts. You have been most clear on this.

Strangely, your Constitution also allows the Vice Prez to overturn presidential elections, but we won't go there, it's a little bit controversial.

LAWFARE !!!


All points, your initial Constitutionality statements/questions regarding firearms, & your "controversial" matter in your final Constitutionality statement/question, if they were ever properly pursued through the national court system without any acceptable resolution, IMHO a case could eventually land in the hands of the highest court in America, the United States Supreme Court, who upon being requested to determine constitutionality of said issue, would have to decide whether to grant a writ or reject the request for a petitioner's 'writ of certiorari'......SCOTUS will vote on the returning writ & if 4 SCOTUS Justices of the 9 agree to hear it, then & only then will the SCOTUS take on an issue & hear arguments.


I see. Allow me to summarize your argument.

If your DL, President of The United States, tried to regulate firearms by demanding that your federal Congress passes a bill, illegally infringing your Constitutional rights, such a law could be challenged and pursued through the national court system. Upon such litigation, and without an acceptable resolution in either direction to the satisfaction of both litigants, such a case could eventually, hitherto and henceforth, appear before the highest court of the land and demand a response from your learned and esteemed judges on the Supreme Court of The United States. Said judges would then be forced to decide on whether to grant a writ or reject the request for a petitioner's 'writ of certiorari'.

Have I summarized your position correctly thus far?
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Reply #14 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 6:04pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 5:10pm:
That sounds like the governments and judges of US of Ammunition don't agree with the 2nd Amend.


It most certainly does, but we'll grant our learned friend Panther his right of reply.

Panther's sole argument to date upon the matter is to uphold the conviction that, given a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Ignoring his fellow citizens' possession of the largest militia in the world, Panther argues that such a right is absolute and may not be rescinded by his elected political leaders, without the stated proviso of hell freezing over first.

Panther may care to note the current weather conditions in his reply.
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