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Reply #30 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 5:24pm

chimera wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 4:32pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 7:23pm:

US elected politicians swear to uphold the Constitution. if they actively subvert it then they are perjurers and liars and should be removed from office.

Or if that fails, elect him twice.

And if the American People decide to amend their Constitution to grant a candidate a third term in office, so be it. That choice belongs to the American People, not the government.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11766 Armidale Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #32 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 6:15pm Panther wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 5:24pm: And if the American People decide to amend their Constitution Sorry, the Constitution is currently unavailable. It's been deeply infringed and shredded on Jan 6. A memorial will be raised (paid for by Mexicans).
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Reply #33 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

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What NRA, they no longer have any political power and we didn't need them anyway. Americans stand up for their Rights enough that a single organization isn't needed to hold Politian's accountable for their votes. The Voters will. Ask Liz Chaney about that Primary, we are not single issue voters either.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11766 Armidale Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #34 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:12pm The guy who shot Trump's ear was infringed by security (although they had gun rights too). Why didn't Trump shoot back? Is he an American?
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Reply #35 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:13pm

chimera wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 6:15pm:

Panther wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 5:24pm:

And if the American People decide to amend their Constitution

Sorry, the Constitution is currently unavailable. It's been deeply infringed and shredded on Jan 6. A memorial will be raised (paid for by Mexicans).

No, that was November 2020 and it isn't dead. This time we made the election too big to steal. It is what we will have to do every time in the future. If nothing else will convince you why do the democrats always vote against voter ID at the polls? It isn't because some people are too poor to get free government issued identification!

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Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈
Reply #37 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm

Panther wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 5:24pm:

chimera wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 4:32pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 7:23pm:

US elected politicians swear to uphold the Constitution. if they actively subvert it then they are perjurers and liars and should be removed from office.

Or if that fails, elect him twice.

And if the American People decide to amend their Constitution to grant a candidate a third term in office, so be it. That choice belongs to the American People, not the government.

https://i.imgur.com/pLfnciA.jpg

Are you saying your DL should change the Constitution to regulate firearms and the ATF?

What's the matter, Panther, cat got your tongue?

What happened to it snowing in hell?

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7142 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #38 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.
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Reply #39 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:08pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

Ah.

So when a criminal breaks the law, they never face any consequences?

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Reply #40 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:31pm

Panther wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 11:26am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:15am:

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Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF

Implementing a standard process is sensible - it isn't leashing the ATF.

The next step would be to standardise good gun regulations.

Funny that the supreme court went in the opposite direction on abortion. They went from having a sensible national standard to a hoggle poggle of different state regulations ?

On precedent the supreme court she rule the same with this one ? Isn't this a case of the federal government overstepping and taking functions that belong to the states away ?

When President Donald John Trump installs a new Pro-Gun Friendly ATF Director, who will be able to change & strike a number of ATF directives & regulations established by the Biden Administration, the NRA, GOA, & SAF estimate over 90% of all Biden directed & padded anti-gun laws will vanish in favor of law-abiding American gun owners. https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif

Most recent gun laws & bans depend on ATF Regulations. Remove/Redefine the asinine anti-gun ATF Regulations & the laws that depend on them become invalid....

The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms,
Shall Not be Infringed

And then just like Trumps first term gun related deaths will increase.

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The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms,
Shall Not be Infringed

You quote the second amendment of 2007 following the heller decision - the version with the whole first sentence removed. That is where you get to remove well regulated and the Militia completely from the 2nd amendment of 1791.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47712 Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #41 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:44pm Exactly so, DNA.
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Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈
Reply #42 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:48pm

Go back to 1881, We all remember the Gunfight at the OK coral well maybe everyone except Jasin.

The Earp Brothers with Doc Holliday fought a group of criminals.

People don't mention that the law that the Earp brothers were inforcing back in 1881 were the towns gun regulations. People were not allowed to carry in Tombstone.

There were always gun regulations and the second amendment always supported it. That is until 2008 and the senseless corrupt Heller decision.

Heller removed the Militia and regulations from the 2nd amendment and added self defence and defence of the home into it. This means that the second amendment now means things which are not included in the words of the amendment and excludes things which are written into the amendment - the 2nd amendment no longer means what the words in it say.

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Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈
Reply #43 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 11:25pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

I see. Are you suggesting your DL's right to own a firearm has been rescinded?

Panther, what does your Constitution say about this?

Cheers.

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Reply #44 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:51am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:08pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

Ah.

So when a criminal breaks the law, they never face any consequences?

There is rarely any punishment for using a gun. The crime itself can result in a lesser sentence than that imposed on an honest citizen having a firearm in a restricted area.

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