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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13673 Colorado Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #45 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:46am Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:51am: There is rarely any punishment for using a gun. The crime itself can result in a lesser sentence than that imposed on an honest citizen having a firearm in a restricted area. Unless you're black, eh, moron torty? God damn, you're retarded.
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Reply #46 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 8:52am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:08pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

Ah.

So when a criminal breaks the law, they never face any consequences?

There is rarely any punishment for using a gun. The crime itself can result in a lesser sentence than that imposed on an honest citizen having a firearm in a restricted area.

Unless you have a laptop from hell, Mort. Then you have to go down.

When they go low we go high, no?

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Reply #47 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 9:50am

Panther wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

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President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support.

He has since reiterated his promise.

The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states.

Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely.

Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements.

President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so.

It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish.

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It isn't "President Trump". The correct way to address him at this point in time is actually "President-Elect Trump". Or, as I prefer to say, "Douchebag In Chief".

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Reply #48 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:26am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

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Reply #49 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:48am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

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we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun

OH you mean like Donald Trump ?

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Reply #50 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 1:23pm

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ATF Braces for a Sharp Change of Course Under Trump

Source: The Seattle Times

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WASHINGTON — Many federal agencies are bracing for the Trump era — but few are likely to face the powerful backlash that awaits the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which pursued an aggressive gun control agenda under President Joe Biden.

The ATF, under its Biden-appointed director, Steven M. Dettelbach, has been more proactive on gun control than at any time in its recent history. It has pushed through rules to curb the proliferation of untraceable homemade firearms known as ghost guns, clamped down on devices that make firearms deadlier and regulated unlicensed firearms sellers who operate at gun shows or online.

That earned praise from gun control groups and drew the enmity of Republicans, including President-elect Donald Trump.

He is almost certain to pick a proponent of gun rights as director or simply leave the job vacant, as previous presidents have done, leaving the small and embattled bureau rudderless and vulnerable..........continued

When President Trump is finished 'changing' the leadership within the ATF, & putting the Right people in place to do his bidding without question....total loyalty....all overbearing anti-gun restrictions & regulations will cease to exist, replaced with pro-gun protections in line with the purpose of the Second Amendment.....to protect & defend an American's Right to keep & bear arms to be used for all lawful purposes, most importantly, for self-defense.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138582 Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #51 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 1:26pm chimera wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The guy who shot Trump's ear ... Yeah, nah. That never happened.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138582 Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Slash the ATF ◈ Reply #52 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 1:31pm Panther wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 1:23pm: When ... Trump is finished 'changing' the leadership within the ATF, & putting the Right people in place ... Ah, yes. He always picks the best people
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Reply #53 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 3:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:48pm:

Go back to 1881, We all remember the Gunfight at the OK coral well maybe everyone except Jasin.

The Earp Brothers with Doc Holliday fought a group of criminals.

People don't mention that the law that the Earp brothers were inforcing back in 1881 were the towns gun regulations. People were not allowed to carry in Tombstone.

There were always gun regulations and the second amendment always supported it. That is until 2008 and the senseless corrupt Heller decision.

Heller removed the Militia and regulations from the 2nd amendment and added self defence and defence of the home into it. This means that the second amendment now means things which are not included in the words of the amendment and excludes things which are written into the amendment - the 2nd amendment no longer means what the words in it say.

The Second Amendment means just what it says, the militia is dependent upon the people having arms.
The Second Amendment grants no rights at all, it merely recognises them.
I do wish people, who should know better, would not twist English.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11768 Armidale Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #54 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:04pm The militia being a right depends on the 2nd Amend. Otherwise there's no point in mentioning militia in connection with arms. The purpose of militia has nothing to do with personal shoot-outs. Does a tax law give people the right to collect taxes from anyone?
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Reply #55 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:45pm

chimera wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:04pm:

The militia being a right depends on the 2nd Amend. Otherwise there's no point in mentioning militia in connection with arms. The purpose of militia has nothing to do with personal shoot-outs.
Does a tax law give people the right to collect taxes from anyone?

One of your better funny jokes.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42193	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #56 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:05pm
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11768 Armidale Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #57 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:13pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:45pm: funny jokes. What is? Does the existence of army machine guns, by law, give people the right to machine guns in a trench outside a bank?
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2276 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #58 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:54pm chimera wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:13pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:45pm: funny jokes. What is? Does the existence of army machine guns, by law, give people the right to machine guns in a trench outside a bank? You appear to be confused.
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2276 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: ◈ Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF ◈ Reply #59 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:56pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:05pm: https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/z1kGqYnC__gphnXwl_gfcaCeJ3Y=/750x0/filters:no_ups... Why didn’t you check the first two?
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