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Question: How long does it take to become Indigenous to an area
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From birth there    
  3 (75.0%)
A few days after birth    
  0 (0.0%)
A decade after born there    
  0 (0.0%)
A generation    
  0 (0.0%)
Two-five generations    
  0 (0.0%)
Five-ten generations    
  0 (0.0%)
A few centuries    
  0 (0.0%)
Millennia    
  1 (25.0%)




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Reply #15 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:11am
 
Perhaps Freedickhead is talking about banning people from certain countries based on their race....We know it is not about the Aboriginal flag....Freedickhead will not say???

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Reply #16 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:19am
 
What is discrimination in itself?

Is it evil in itself?

Is justifiable discrimination a thing?

What is justice in itself?

Is it (justifiable) discrimination to unify culturally and linguistically disparate peoples by cultivating a sense of common identity?

Do nations justifiably discriminate?

Does a nation/country have the right to (justifiably) discriminate between citizens and non-citizens?
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Reply #17 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:43am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:57am:
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:52am:
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Never is the answer for the upteenth time


Why was that so difficult for you?



Is my question difficult for you, Fleadriver?

I've asked it several times now.

Forgotten what it was? Allow me to remind you:

"If a law is passed or a body is formed or a grant created that advantages women, is it sexist to men?"


If it discriminates on the basis of sex, it is sexist.

For example, if a man loses a job to a woman who is less qualified, less experienced, less hard working etc, because of a deliberate sex discrimination policy, that man has been discriminated against. On the basis of sex. So it is also sexist.

You cannot fight discrimination by creating even more discrimination. No matter how you try to spin it.
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Reply #18 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:44am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:52am:
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Never is the answer for the upteenth time


Why was that so difficult for you? And where have you answered previously? All I see is you being evasive.

I have answered your bullshit question multiple times Freedickhead!!!


https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1733787799/105#119

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I have given you my answer again and again


Congratulations, you posted the same thing twice in a row.

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So what are you claiming is discrimination


I have made all sorts of claims about racial discrimination on this site. Are you really not aware of a single one?


So you are race baiting and not prepared to clarify what it is you are actually bitching about....You pathetic racist piece of sh!t???

I am done with you Freedickhead!!!

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It was a question Phil. What on earth made you think I was referring to something specific with such a general question?
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Reply #19 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:00am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:27am:
"Do you think the government should be discriminating on the basis of race?"


Short answer: no.

BUT

Studies have shown a postive correlation between poverty, family dysfunction, and youth crime.

And guess what.....blacks in Oz are most egregiously over-represented in those stats, so government intervention to fix the problem of generational/systemic/cultural-historical  poverty among blacks will require government to "discriminate on the basis of race" to eliminate the gap.

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Who is afraid to answer this question?


Your limited capacity for analysis  of complex socio-economic disadvantage explains why people replying to this thread have accused you of 'race baiting'...
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Reply #20 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:02am
 
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And guess what.....blacks in Oz are most egregiously over-represented in those stats, so government intervention to fix the problem of generational/systemic/cultural-historical  poverty among blacks  will  require governement to "discriminate on the basis of race" to eliminate the gap.


Do you have any evidence that this works? Do handouts fix learned helplessness? People always seem to assume the problem is solved once some money is handed over, then a generation later are bemoaning the fact that the same problem still exists.

Also, does does something like racist bans from national parks solve anything? As far as I can tell it has only made the local aborigines more prone to violence.
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Re: racial discrimination by the government
Reply #21 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:12am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:52am:
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Never is the answer for the upteenth time


Why was that so difficult for you? And where have you answered previously? All I see is you being evasive.

I have answered your bullshit question multiple times Freedickhead!!!


https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1733787799/105#119

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I have given you my answer again and again


Congratulations, you posted the same thing twice in a row.

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So what are you claiming is discrimination


I have made all sorts of claims about racial discrimination on this site. Are you really not aware of a single one?


So you are race baiting and not prepared to clarify what it is you are actually bitching about....You pathetic racist piece of sh!t???

I am done with you Freedickhead!!!

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That's a relief .....

Simple answer - if these people with flags want to not be Australian but somehow 'co-sovereign', they are welcome to hand in their citizenship and their dole cards etc and go and make their way in the traditional ways....  all that cunning Pascoe aquaculture, agriculture, storage of seeds and such and trade should suffice to make them all happy, healthy and wise...... gonna be a bit hard when they try predatory raiding on 'other tribes' to steal what they have to survive, though.  And they can only do that on Open Range... not on other people's land........

There are laws  against that...... the other tribes might not like it - just look at Alice Springs!  Jeez - two teenagers in detention for a home invasion and assault on a new mother and newborn baby, leaving the baby with a skull fracture and brain bleeding... must be worth two damp lettuce leaves from the 'judge' ... but that'll all change when they do a Hamas and cross the border from The Park and invade, rob and steal and assault....  THEN justice will prevail against criminal Invaders... just like Gaza and such...

I reckon they'd be better off accepting the Two State Solution and heading off onto The Park to be under their own control and their own laws and such..... I think the penalty for someone caught raiding and killing another tribe is an instant spearing or something.... unto death..... but that'll just help keep the population down to the manageable level it was pre-1788 - so few that they were hardly noticeable on the land, let along do anything to or with it apart from burning the sh
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t out of it at random without even  firestick farming that land....

Back to the cultural roots!!  And let's not forget the Golden Era of Professor Pascoe...

They're eating the roos
They're eating the snakes
They're eating the fauna
Of the people who LIVE .... HERE...

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Reply #22 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:18am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:12am:
if these people with flags want to not be Australian but somehow 'co-sovereign'

Are you also discriminating? Based on nationalistic identity?

Define discrimination.
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Reply #23 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:19am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:44am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:52am:
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Never is the answer for the upteenth time


Why was that so difficult for you? And where have you answered previously? All I see is you being evasive.

I have answered your bullshit question multiple times Freedickhead!!!


https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1733787799/105#119

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I have given you my answer again and again


Congratulations, you posted the same thing twice in a row.

Quote:
So what are you claiming is discrimination


I have made all sorts of claims about racial discrimination on this site. Are you really not aware of a single one?


So you are race baiting and not prepared to clarify what it is you are actually bitching about....You pathetic racist piece of sh!t???

I am done with you Freedickhead!!!

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It was a question Phil. What on earth made you think I was referring to something specific with such a general question?


The Government should never discriminate against anyone....Taking children away from their parents based on race....Denying legal entry to a country based on race....Putting innocent people in detention centres based on race....Making laws specific to one race....No doubt you don't have an opinion you will share as usual....You were just trolling???

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Reply #24 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:22am
 
Like I said Phil, there are plenty of examples of me pointing about both race and sex discrimination on this site. Not sure why it gets you so worked up.
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Reply #25 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:26am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:02am:
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And guess what.....blacks in Oz are most egregiously over-represented in those stats, so government intervention to fix the problem of generational/systemic/cultural-historical  poverty among blacks  will  require governement to "discriminate on the basis of race" to eliminate the gap.


Do you have any evidence that this works?


Of course not; eradicating  systemic/generational/cultural-historical poverty, via mandating above poverty participation for all  hasn't been instituted yet.

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Do handouts fix learned helplessness?


No, they entrench it via the poverty industry aka  'welfare(!) safety net'.

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People always seem to assume the problem is solved once some money is handed over, then a generation later are bemoaning the fact that the same problem still exists.


Exactly....courtesy of gruesome, mainstream neoclassical NAIRU  economics requiring the 'welfare safety net' to maintain 'social security'...a failure (as you say), as can be seen in the increasing youth crime stats.

Now...back to "racial discrimination" .... and your  concealed 'race-baiting', condemned by others replying to this thread.


 



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Reply #26 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:26am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:19am:
You were just trolling???

He is leveraging the inevitable lexical limitation and/or ambiguity of these words (discrimination) to run you down a rabbit hole.
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Reply #27 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:36am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:18am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:12am:
if these people with flags want to not be Australian but somehow 'co-sovereign'

Are you also discriminating? Based on nationalistic identity?

Define discrimination.


Nah - read IF - it's a big word I know... I'm just offering them a viable option in accordance with their own demands for sovereignty and for their own state etc.

We all know what discrimination is - and it crosses all borders - it is not a purely White privilege ... anyone can display discrimination ...
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Reply #28 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:36am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:55am:
mothra wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 9:33am:
Tell me Fleadriver ... if a law is passed that advantages women, is it sexist to men?


Obviously. By definition. Ipso facto.
A law advantaging one sex means it is disadvantaging the other ON THE BASIS OF sex.



And if the law is about uterine cancer?


A very stupid attempt of arguing sex discrimination.

Men don't have uterses so it has nothing to do with advantage or disadvantage for men or women.


If you want to argue intelligently you have to think of something that can be equally attained or obtained by anyone but the law singles out one category for advantage/disadvantage.


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Reply #29 - Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:40am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:36am:
We all know what discrimination is - and it crosses all borders - it is not a purely White privilege ... anyone can display discrimination ...

The default deflection.

"We all know what I mean by discrimination".

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