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Reply #45 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 1:58pm

mothra wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:36pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:36am:

mothra wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

mothra wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:33am:

Tell me Fleadriver ... if a law is passed that advantages women, is it sexist to men?

Obviously. By definition. Ipso facto.
A law advantaging one sex means it is disadvantaging the other ON THE BASIS OF sex.

And if the law is about uterine cancer?

A very stupid attempt of arguing sex discrimination.

Men don't have uterses so it has nothing to do with advantage or disadvantage for men or women.

If you want to argue intelligently you have to think of something that can be equally attained or obtained by anyone but the law singles out one category for advantage/disadvantage.

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Oh so you do understand that there are different needs within the community and addressing some needs does not mean discriminating against those who are not represented by the addressing of those needs.

Well done, fruitbat! I think you've grown as a person today.

So being Aborigine is like uterine cancer.

Do you practice being a complete idiot?

Well, it was YOUR analogy.

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Reply #46 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:07pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:40am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:36am:

We all know what discrimination is - and it crosses all borders - it is not a purely White privilege ... anyone can display discrimination ...

The default deflection.

"We all know what I mean by discrimination".

We've gone past that long ago... keep up in class....

Then you'd know that, say, the justice system often discriminates (arguably justifiably) based on circumstances, then.

Words have limitations... 'Discrimination' in itself can be defined in multiple terms such that it requires qualifiers like 'justifiable', 'wrongful', 'positive', 'negative'... etc.

And even then, you will need to defend your definition.

And can be further qualified into definitional terms such as: 'positive justifiable discrimination' and 'negative justifiable discrimination'.

Let us not confuse discern and discriminate.

Discrimination is negative treatment based on an attribute. Discerning difference is not in itself a negative treatment.

Positive discrimination is a confused neologism. A clumsy shorthand, like climate action or trans women are real women or womyn.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74619 Gender:	Re: racial discrimination by the government Reply #47 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:07pm freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:32pm: Quote: He said Never the very first time you asked in the other thread. No he didn't John. Sure he did, reply 119 .. he even put it in big bold letters for you but you were busy pretending you are a victim if aborigines get to fly their flag
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Reply #48 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

"Do you think the government should be discriminating on the basis of race?"

Short answer: no.

BUT

Studies have shown a postive correlation between poverty, family dysfunction, and youth crime.

And guess what.....blacks in Oz are most egregiously over-represented in those stats, so government intervention to fix the problem of generational/systemic/cultural-historical poverty among blacks will require government to "discriminate on the basis of race" to eliminate the gap.

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Who is afraid to answer this question?

Your limited capacity for analysis of complex socio-economic disadvantage explains why people replying to this thread have accused you of 'race baiting'...

What happens to the non-Aborigines poor? The non-Aborigines youth criminals?

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Reply #49 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:38pm

The term 'discernment' can be used as a synonym or a euphemism for 'discrimination', although usually disingenuously.

To say that 'babies discriminate among ethnicities, preferring their mother's ethnic features over all others', is not to say that babies' discrimination over ethnic features is in itself negative treatment based on an attribute - at least not in a cognitive or moral sense.

The term 'positive discrimination' is decades old. It would only be a 'neologism' for those of us older than 100.

Not that a term's being a neologism is necessarily a negative - all complex terms in use today were once neologisms.

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Reply #50 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:48pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:

The term 'discernment' can be used as a synonym or a euphemism for 'discrimination', although usually disingenuously.

To say that 'babies discriminate among ethnicities, preferring their mother's ethnic features over all others', is not to say that babies' discrimination over ethnic features is in itself negative treatment based on an attribute - at least not in a cognitive or moral sense.

The term 'positive discrimination' is decades old. It would only be a 'neologism' for those of us older than 100.

Not that a term's being a neologism is necessarily a negative - all complex terms in use today were once neologisms.

Discrimination has a connotation of preferment. Discern just means noticing difference without any connotation of preference.

You can discern the difference between two things without any hint of preference for either.

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Reply #51 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:55pm

A term often used in advertising refers to the 'discerning customer'.

It usually refers to customers with good taste and style who would prefer one product over others.

So, yes, it can have an obvious connotation of preference, as can discrimination.

We can all positively discern and negatively discern, as we can with discrimination.

Our discernment can be justifiable or not, as it can with discrimination.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: racial discrimination by the government Reply #52 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 3:50pm Phil do you think what the government did at Mt Warning is racist or sexist?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105219 Melbourne Gender:	Re: racial discrimination by the government Reply #53 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 4:01pm freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 3:50pm: Phil do you think what the government did at Mt Warning is racist or sexist? Access to sites should not be based on race - that is racist. Obtaining employment should be based on merit not race or gender.
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Reply #54 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 4:16pm

Once you move from the naive use of terms like discrimination, and stop thinking that "we all know what I mean by discrimination" or "we all instinctively know what it is, so why define it?', you can explore its necessary qualifications, such as justifiable discrimination, or positive/negative justifiable/wrongful discrimination.

Is it necessarily true that we all have a natural right to access all land geographically proximate to us regardless of the will of all others?

Should we recognise and respect the property rights of landowners? Or should we insist that public access to all land must necessarily be indiscriminate?

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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 48628 Gender:	Re: racial discrimination by the government Reply #55 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 4:27pm Sign on Mt Warning reads: NO WHITE PEOPLE ALLOWED.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105219 Melbourne Gender:	Re: racial discrimination by the government Reply #56 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 4:30pm Jasin wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 4:27pm: Sign on Mt Warning reads: NO WHITE PEOPLE ALLOWED. What if you put Nugget boot polish on your face?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: racial discrimination by the government Reply #57 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:06am freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 3:50pm: Phil do you think what the government did at Mt Warning is racist or sexist? Phil? If you would "never" support racial discrimination by the government, does that mean you oppose what the government did with Mt Warning?
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Re: racial discrimination by the government
Reply #58 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:37am

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 3:50pm:

Phil do you think what the government did at Mt Warning is racist or sexist?

Phil? If you would "never" support racial discrimination by the government, does that mean you oppose what the government did with Mt Warning?

So you have defined the Native Title act as racist....The High Court of Australia has already decided you are a dickhead over that issue mate....Just keep bashing Abo's on your race hate site and continue on a hiding to nowhere....You need to change the law to reverse Native Title and no amount of racist bullshit will change anything....No I don't think it is racist to accept traditional owners rights....You are a racist and an idiot who thinks your rights are more important than anyone elses....Do you support discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole....I hope you enjoyed my answer to your bullshit question Freediver!!!

https://www.firstpeoplesrelations.vic.gov.au/what-is-native-title

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: racial discrimination by the government Reply #59 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:43am Quote: So you have defined the Native Title act as racist What makes you think Mt Warning has anything to do with the native title act?
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