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Question: How long does it take to become Indigenous to an area
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From birth there    
  3 (75.0%)
A few days after birth    
  0 (0.0%)
A decade after born there    
  0 (0.0%)
A generation    
  0 (0.0%)
Two-five generations    
  0 (0.0%)
Five-ten generations    
  0 (0.0%)
A few centuries    
  0 (0.0%)
Millennia    
  1 (25.0%)




Total votes: 4
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Reply #60 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 11:37am:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 3:50pm:
Phil do you think what the government did at Mt Warning is racist or sexist?


Phil? If you would "never" support racial discrimination by the government, does that mean you oppose what the government did with Mt Warning?


So you have defined the Native Title act as racist....The High Court of Australia has already decided you are a dickhead over that issue mate....Just keep bashing Abo's on your race hate site and continue on a hiding to nowhere....You need to change the law to reverse Native Title and no amount of racist bullshit will change anything....No I don't think it is racist to accept traditional owners rights....You are a racist and an idiot who thinks your rights are more important than anyone elses....Do you support discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole....I hope you enjoyed my answer to your bullshit question Freediver!!!

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talk is cheap phil

if you feel strongly about it, sell your property in australia, hand the proceeds over to the northern land council and buy a one way ticket on british airways to heathrow.
anything less is merely hypocritical virtue signalling that costs you nothing more then a 10 second post  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #61 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 2:48pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 11:37am:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 3:50pm:
Phil do you think what the government did at Mt Warning is racist or sexist?


Phil? If you would "never" support racial discrimination by the government, does that mean you oppose what the government did with Mt Warning?


So you have defined the Native Title act as racist....The High Court of Australia has already decided you are a dickhead over that issue mate....Just keep bashing Abo's on your race hate site and continue on a hiding to nowhere....You need to change the law to reverse Native Title and no amount of racist bullshit will change anything....No I don't think it is racist to accept traditional owners rights....You are a racist and an idiot who thinks your rights are more important than anyone elses....Do you support discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole....I hope you enjoyed my answer to your bullshit question Freediver!!!

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https://www.firstpeoplesrelations.vic.gov.au/what-is-native-title



talk is cheap phil

if you feel strongly about it, sell your property in australia, hand the proceeds over to the northern land council and buy a one way ticket on british airways to heathrow.
anything less is merely hypocritical virtue signalling that costs you nothing more then a 10 second post  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What are you ranting about ya dickhead....I am not the one complaining about Native Title which has nothing to do with private property....You conflate a strawman argument because you are a racist wanker like Freediver....Piss off back to what ever hovel you crawled from if you don't like Australia's laws!!!

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Reply #62 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 2:53pm
 
we appear to have touched a nerve

phil is all for giving back the country to the indigenous as long as he gets to keep his slice of the pie.

we call this hypocrisy  Wink
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Reply #63 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:10pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 2:48pm:
What are you ranting about ya dickhead....I am not the one complaining about Native Title which has nothing to do with private property....You conflate a strawman argument because you are a racist wanker like Freediver....Piss off back to what ever hovel you crawled from if you don't like Australia's laws!!!

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Hypocrite is correct!


Look what you said just now:

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You are a racist and an idiot who thinks your rights are more important than anyone elses....Do you support discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole...



YOUR private property is based ENTIRELY on British law. It is no less 'stolen land' than any other part of whatever Aborigines called this continent before the British arrived and gave them laws, sanitation, and all the rest of the stuff the Romans did for the People's Popular Front of Judea.

You "support the discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole" when it benefits you PRIVATELY.

Then you bluster and rage like an idiot who had an electric wire attached to his amygdala.
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Reply #64 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:15pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 11:19am:
The Government should never discriminate against anyone....Taking children away from their parents based on race....Denying legal entry to a country based on race....Putting innocent people in detention centres based on race....Making laws specific to one race....No doubt you don't have an opinion you will share as usual....You were just trolling???

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Reply #65 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:10pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 2:48pm:
What are you ranting about ya dickhead....I am not the one complaining about Native Title which has nothing to do with private property....You conflate a strawman argument because you are a racist wanker like Freediver....Piss off back to what ever hovel you crawled from if you don't like Australia's laws!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



Hypocrite is correct!


Look what you said just now:

Quote:
You are a racist and an idiot who thinks your rights are more important than anyone elses....Do you support discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole...



YOUR private property is based ENTIRELY on British law. It is no less 'stolen land' than any other part of whatever Aborigines called this continent before the British arrived and gave them laws, sanitation, and all the rest of the stuff the Romans did for the People's Popular Front of Judea.

You "support the discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole" when it benefits you PRIVATELY.

Then you bluster and rage like an idiot who had an electric wire attached to his amygdala.


British Law = Native Title....You want to uphold or deny certain laws you based on your stupidity....If you don't like the laws then piss off back to were ever you crawled from Fwank!!!

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Reply #66 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:24pm
 
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So you have defined the Native Title act as racist


What makes you think Mt Warning has anything to do with the native title act?
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Reply #67 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:26pm
 
It's out of ignorance to presume aboriginal peoples did not have laws before 1788.

Not only did they have laws, but many of those laws are amazingly complex.

Marriage laws within a tribal region are incredibly complex.

Tribal territory laws existed.

Dietary laws, laws governing the conduct between male and female, men and women, elder and junior...

Laws governing the telling of tribal myths and stories.

Laws governing the sacred and mundane... and expected conduct when interacting with the sacred.

As many laws as are necessary for organised social life to exist at all among humans.

What they did not have, like all non-literate tribal peoples, including the Scottish Highlander clans, were laws requiring written title deeds to land.
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Reply #68 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:30pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:22pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:10pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 2:48pm:
What are you ranting about ya dickhead....I am not the one complaining about Native Title which has nothing to do with private property....You conflate a strawman argument because you are a racist wanker like Freediver....Piss off back to what ever hovel you crawled from if you don't like Australia's laws!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



Hypocrite is correct!


Look what you said just now:

Quote:
You are a racist and an idiot who thinks your rights are more important than anyone elses....Do you support discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole...



YOUR private property is based ENTIRELY on British law. It is no less 'stolen land' than any other part of whatever Aborigines called this continent before the British arrived and gave them laws, sanitation, and all the rest of the stuff the Romans did for the People's Popular Front of Judea.

You "support the discrimination by the British who took away most of the Aboriginals land arsehole" when it benefits you PRIVATELY.

Then you bluster and rage like an idiot who had an electric wire attached to his amygdala.


British Law = Native Title....You want to uphold or deny certain laws you based on your stupidity....If you don't like the laws then piss off back to were ever you crawled from Fwank!!!

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Your private property was once 'Aboriginal land'. It is yours because of British law, so don't knock the British, you wouldn't be where you are without them.

As for native title, it is .... er.... a British legal invention.


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Reply #69 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 3:57pm
 
By the late 18th century, with Britain careening towards the Industrial Revolution and the emergence of 'mega' cities, land reform was required to manage large-scale intensive framing to feed the population of these large urban areas.

The use of land title deeds, and laws governing land ownership, were weaponised against non-literate tribal peoples to expropriate their land wherever it was needed.

This occurred throughout the British Empire, (even within Britain and Ireland, itself), and the nascent United States, to ensure huge tracts of agricultural land ownership were concentrated into the hands of the few - landlords who could be trusted by the Imperial establishment to provide as much agricultural products as were necessary to fuel the Empire's cities' populations. Returning once unimaginable wealth to 'gentleman farmers'.

It was in this world that all tribal peoples throughout the world found themselves quickly dispossessed of their ancient lands.
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Reply #70 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:08pm
 
Those rural peoples within Britain and Ireland, who were not forcibly removed from their lands and exiled to other parts of the Empire, were offered the opportunity to restart their lives somewhere else... like the American colonies/US, Canada, Africa, Australia and New Zealand.

In every instance, indigenous tribal lands had to be confiscated or arrogated by the crown to accommodate those dispossessed British/Irish peoples.
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Reply #71 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:25pm
 
The idea that the British wandered the globe like apostles, spreading the 'gospel' of British governance and its legal system as their sacred gift to the world, is as ridiculous as a two-legged barstool.

The British could not possibly have afforded to establish and pay for the maintenance of the Empire indefinitely... each colony was required to be self-sustaining and capable of transporting its excess wealth of the lands back to Britain for the British people's consumption - from food to minerals.

What the British Navy and its armies did provide (until a colony was capable of defending itself) was the protection of settlers against any force, foreign or domestic, that resisted or hindered this imperial progress.
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Reply #72 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:02pm
 
Coulda been worse - coulda been the French, the German, Spanish, Portugese, Dutch or Belgians.

Or the Chinese, gawd'elpus.
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Reply #73 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
Coulda been worse - coulda been the French, the German, Spanish, Portugese, Dutch or Belgians.

Or the Chinese, gawd'elpus.


The Indonesians, as Rocky said - had lots of practice with the West Papuans.
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Reply #74 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 6:07pm
 
It was British commercially predatory practices in its colonies that led directly to the American Revolution.

Yes, there was the stamp tax and its subsequent 'no taxation without representation', but there were also the commercial and military deals struck with native Americans in favour of the British establishment's interests over the colonists that stayed the British army when natives physically challenged the colonists' expansionism.

There was also the deep-rooted fear that the British would allow the East India Company to establish itself in the American colonies and systematically loot them as it was doing in India.
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