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Question: How long does it take to become Indigenous to an area
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From birth there    
  3 (75.0%)
A few days after birth    
  0 (0.0%)
A decade after born there    
  0 (0.0%)
A generation    
  0 (0.0%)
Two-five generations    
  0 (0.0%)
Five-ten generations    
  0 (0.0%)
A few centuries    
  0 (0.0%)
Millennia    
  1 (25.0%)




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Reply #75 - Dec 16th, 2024 at 6:22pm
 
Race wars against Yellow people are ok.
You can use napalm and nukes.

Race wars against Black people is not ok.
That's racism.
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Reply #76 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:56am
 
In places where the British did negotiate with local Indigenous peoples over land acquisition, what they did not mention was the sheer number of immigrants who would settle in their former lands.

That massive tracts of land would be needed, over and above that required to house them.
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Reply #77 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:12am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:56am:
In places where the British did negotiate with local Indigenous peoples over land acquisition, what they did not mention was the sheer number of immigrants who would settle in their former lands.

That massive tracts of land would be needed, over and above that required to house them.



Happened all across the world....still going on.... the Indian sub-continent has now negotiated with Albocorp for exactly the same thing.... and we Indigenous people of Australia didn't even get a say in this amazing race treaty.

Our Great Leaders have done it to us again....

Noe:-  even the Aboriginal small groups did it - a group would 'negotiate' the traditional way - fight it out - then occupy and hopefully increase their 'footprint' ... this movement of peoples has been going on since time immemorial - it's not just something 'inflicted' on 'native populations' by certain groups.  Every tribe everywhere is not the original settlers there...
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Reply #78 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:35am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:12am:
Noe:-  even the Aboriginal small groups did it - a group would 'negotiate' the traditional way - fight it out - then occupy and hopefully increase their 'footprint' ... this movement of peoples has been going on since time immemorial - it's not just something 'inflicted' on 'native populations' by certain groups.  Every tribe everywhere is not the original settlers there...

Yes, all human communities can and will attack those outsiders they perceive as a threat to their resource access.

However, indigenous peoples increasing their footprint to accommodate dozens or even up to 100 individuals, is incomparable to the tens of thousands of foreign immigrants arriving monthly/yearly into indigenous territory.



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Reply #79 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:19am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:56am:
In places where the British did negotiate with local Indigenous peoples over land acquisition, what they did not mention was the sheer number of immigrants who would settle in their former lands.

That massive tracts of land would be needed, over and above that required to house them.

The issue of land needs for farming was one of the primary causes of NZ's land wars of the 1860s...

With its major city, Auckland, growing exponentially from what it was a mere 20 years before, the need for farmland became urgent. With Maori landowners refusing to just hand over their land - respect for tribal ownership of which had been assured by the Treaty of Waitangi - confrontation was inevitable.

Over 100 years later it was the cause of one of the rarest monarchical acts of the British Empire/Commonwealth where the sovereign is head of state - A formal apology from the sovereign, herself, for the Crown's treatment of the Tainui tribe - for waging war on the Crown's own subjects for the purpose of confiscating land.

Even India, which the British looted with impunity, cannot secure a royal apology.
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Reply #80 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:27am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:35am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:12am:
Noe:-  even the Aboriginal small groups did it - a group would 'negotiate' the traditional way - fight it out - then occupy and hopefully increase their 'footprint' ... this movement of peoples has been going on since time immemorial - it's not just something 'inflicted' on 'native populations' by certain groups.  Every tribe everywhere is not the original settlers there...

Yes, all human communities can and will attack those outsiders they perceive as a threat to their resource access.

However, indigenous peoples increasing their footprint to accommodate dozens or even up to 100 individuals, is incomparable to the tens of thousands of foreign immigrants arriving monthly/yearly into indigenous territory.





Yes - this is a dire situation for today........................ and we Indigenes haven't even been consulted or given a treaty or anything... we're supposed to be protected under the social contract that is not worth the paper it was written on..... the Canberra Man made us many promises.... he promised that our voices would be heard... that our rights and our access to land protected.... they only ever kept one promise ... they promised to over-ride our wishes at every turn and hand over our sovereignty to anywhere in the world.... and thus to take all our rights..... they kept that promise.

They put us on a social science train - freediver, Frank, Boris, aquascoot and myself - they gave us big hats and took us to the Ivory Tower City ... the president Albo shook our hands, one by one, and gave us all medals... and he said 'Endeavour To Persevere!'.

So we all went home and sat down and thought about it.... Endeavour To Persevere........ and when we had thought long enough - we declared war on the united social science madnesses.....
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Reply #81 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:34am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:27am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:35am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:12am:
Noe:-  even the Aboriginal small groups did it - a group would 'negotiate' the traditional way - fight it out - then occupy and hopefully increase their 'footprint' ... this movement of peoples has been going on since time immemorial - it's not just something 'inflicted' on 'native populations' by certain groups.  Every tribe everywhere is not the original settlers there...

Yes, all human communities can and will attack those outsiders they perceive as a threat to their resource access.

However, indigenous peoples increasing their footprint to accommodate dozens or even up to 100 individuals, is incomparable to the tens of thousands of foreign immigrants arriving monthly/yearly into indigenous territory.





Yes - this is a dire situation for today........................ and we Indigenes haven't even been consulted or given a treaty or anything... we're supposed to be protected under the social contract that is not worth the paper it was written on..... the Canberra Man made us many promises.... he promised that our voices would be heard... that our rights and our access to land protected.... they only ever kept one promise ... they promised to over-ride our wishes at every turn and hand over our sovereignty to anywhere in the world.... and thus to take all our rights..... they kept that promise.

You need to understand the term Indigenous before flinging it around like faeces in your monkey cage.

But, anyway, now that you've used it to characterise yourself... You'd have some understanding then of the actual indigenous and their grievances... and why there is a drive to reclaim some land as exclusively their own.

And that discrimination is sometimes justifiable.
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Reply #82 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:23pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 2:53pm:
we appear to have touched a nerve



By highlighting your stupidity? Unlikely Cheesy
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Reply #83 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:31pm
 
So now you reckon people born here of multiple generations are not 'Indigenous'?  When did they set a date?

We have Aborigines who are Indigenous - and we have the rest of us who are Indigenous but not Aboriginal.  The inhabitants of Britain were once called 'the Aborigines'....

Now leave your monkey faeces at home.... boy!

I'm Indigenous!  And so is the neighbour's dog!
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Reply #84 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:49pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:34am:
a drive to reclaim some land as exclusively their own.




The very concept is incomprehensible, unthinkable to pre-contact Aborighines. It is something they learned from the colonists and it is STILL incomepatible with how they say they see the land and themselves on it.

They don't own land even in a socialist or communist sense, like the kibbutzim did, in common.

Their traditional land ownership is most like 'land oiwnership' by territorial hunter gatherers: they know the boundaries, they live off it but otherwise there is no ownership.
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Reply #85 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:07pm
 
"a drive to reclaim some land as exclusively their own."

I've long advocated that they receive SOME land Freehold to own and build on - as a base etc... and that their Native Title rights continue in the ability to wander, camp, hunt, fish, carry out traditional rites etc anywhere but on OWNED land or with permission.

This craze for handing over massive swathes simply on the basis that they reckon it's theirs - when it is actually owned by everyone as national park etc.... is way off the reservation.... on which subject - Arnhem Land is a remaining 'reservation' exclusively for the local Aborigines and all others by invitation... so much for the vilification of the old-style 'reservation' system.

Just because ONE reservation is a success (relatively speaking) is no reason to now go about creating the same things by different means.... such as the recent handover of the Kimberley Coast from Derby to Nununurra IN TOTAL.... pure nonsense...  just because few people go there doesn't mean that those national parks are unused - they are ALWAYS in use as national parks.

Home base, chance to OWN some land of their own and to build a home etc (which they would do with massive assistance), and then the right to Free Range across the national parks alongside everyone else - along with a few genuine Ranger jobs to protect wildlife and genuine sacred sites etc - is the go.... not this dividing up of Australia into small states to suit some mythical idea of past ownership and some perceived need to preserve nature as it is.  As properly managed National Parks all those exist already... even in a sense of being a small separate state.... but owned by EVERYONE as is right.
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Reply #86 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:11pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:31pm:
So now you reckon people born here of multiple generations are not 'Indigenous'?  When did they set a date?

We have Aborigines who are Indigenous - and we have the rest of us who are Indigenous but not Aboriginal.  The inhabitants of Britain were once called 'the Aborigines'....

Now leave your monkey faeces at home.... boy!

I'm Indigenous!  And so is the neighbour's dog!

It's an ignorant misuse of the term to imagine you are indigenous.

Even many Maori dispute that they are indigenous to NZ, given they arrived there not long before Colombus discovered the New World.

If the term was reduced to your convenient definition, nearly everyone born anywhere could be characterised as indigenous.

It's a convenient misappropriation of the word used to justify land dispossession.

If you're a descendant of colonists, your history lies geographically somewhere else. If you're descended from many peoples from various parts of the world, you may be legally an Australian... and a mutt, like your dog.

Australian aboriginal peoples are the world's poster children of the term.
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Reply #87 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:25pm
 
There's at least one here who imagines that the use of a 19th-century form of lawfare regarding land ownership justifies land dispossession.

By that reckoning, if a foreign people invaded and took possession of Australia, they could justify the same by arguing that land ownership not registered and recognised within their legal system was forfeited to their state.
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Reply #88 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 12:11am
 
So Indigenous actually means absolutely nothing.... thank you, Meistie - I'll continue to call Aborigines Aborigines and not Indigenes.

Now - this '19th century style of lawfare' you mention - I take it you are placing this in 2024 ....... does that include lawfare bastardised by unelected swill government bodies to determine who they will hand land over to for free without consultation or public vote and then Enclose that land?  Sounds pretty right to me.... talk about dispossession - more like outright theft.....

What particular groups do you consider could possibly be under any threat of 'dispossession' here and now? Be careful ..... we know the answer, don't we?

If you're talking about past 'dispossession' - why are you bothering? It's 2024 - not 1824  .... and not 0024 - remember those historical mass movements of people..... all the way Out Of Africa to eventually here in one strain.. then repeat arrivals here of other groups......... so it follows that if we all possess the earth - there is no Invasion ... just a minor dispute between extended family members over occupancy of the best bits....

Of course we know that is not so... and that there are too many differences between groups.... so it's more likely the multiple strand alien landings is the go....   Shocked
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Reply #89 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:02am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 12:11am:
So Indigenous actually means absolutely nothing.... thank you, Meistie - I'll continue to call Aborigines Aborigines and not Indigenes.

So, you live alone, then... with your private language as a 'sovereign citizen'.
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