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Will the HTS rebels bring peace to Syria ?
Dec 15^th, 2024 at 7:36pm

Will the HTS rebels bring peace and an 'open' society to Syria ?

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1/ Look! Pigs can fly!

2/ The Syrian people will make a utopian ISLAMIC society.

3/ The influence of the HTS rebels, will bring peace and justice to Syria.

4/ HTS rebels will morph Syria, into a 'model', and just, Sharia Law society.

5/ Within 12 months, emerging ISLAMIC factions within Syria will destroy the hopes of the Syrian people.

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Who here believes that there is any possibility,
that the HTS rebels in Syria,
will establish the first Sharia Law based, utopian society ?
[and YES, ....the HTS rebels in Syria, are Sharia Law loving, 'ISLAMISTS']

MY EXPECTATION......
1/ Within a period of 12 months, emerging ISLAMIC factions within Syria will produce,
the spectacle,
of another 'cat-fight in a hessian bag',
by the differing factions of the followers of 'the religion of peace', in Syria.

2/ 10's of thousands of Syrian's will die, in the inevitable struggle for absolute political dominance.

3/ Finally, another cruel tyrant will impose his will upon Syria [and its people],
IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

QUESTION;
Why would i be so negative, in my outlook for Syrian society, in 2025 ?

ANSWER;
Because the influence, of >> ISLAMIC 'culture', <<
will always have [total] dominance, within a moslem majority society [e.g. Syria].

i.e.
Those who choose to be, 'followers of ISLAM',
....WILL ALWAYS BE COMPELLED, by the influence by the dictate, of ISLAMIC law.

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"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

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Look at any ISLAMIC and Sharia 'guided' society in this world.

They are all
nests of oppression,
human depravity,
corruption,
violence,
injustice,
and human poverty.

Saudi Arabia.......oil.

Moderate states.......
https://jihadwatch.org/category/indonesia

https://jihadwatch.org/category/malaysia

https://jihadwatch.org/category/turkey

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41814	Re: Will the HTS rebels bring peace to Syria ? Reply #2 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:14pm Your Islamophobia is showing, Yadda but there isn't anything new in that, now is there? Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: Will the HTS rebels bring peace to Syria ?
Reply #3 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:14pm:

Your Islamophobia is showing, Yadda but there isn't anything new in that, now is there? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

HTS is designated a terrorist group by the United States, European Union, Russia, United Kingdom, Canada, and some other countries.

Like you are designated as a moronic troll by anyone with a flicker of intelligence, Bbwian.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104609 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Will the HTS rebels bring peace to Syria ? Reply #4 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:33pm Islamic State will move in and eventually attack Israel.
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Reply #5 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:03pm

This looks really interesting. A genuine fight for democracy. You should be hoping they win Yadda. It could be a complete reversal of what we saw with the Islamic State. With their recent experience of IS and Assad the Syrian people will be wary of any alternative to democracy.

Check out the maps - it's crazy how many different players there are, but that is just the sort of situation where democracy emerges as the only palatable option for all parties.

IS is dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

The Syrian civil war is an ongoing multi-sided conflict in Syria involving various state-sponsored and non-state actors. In March 2011, popular discontent with the rule of Bashar al-Assad triggered large-scale protests and pro-democracy rallies across Syria, as part of the wider Arab Spring protests in the region. After months of crackdown by the government's security apparatus, various armed rebel groups such as the Free Syrian Army began forming across the country, marking the beginning of the Syrian insurgency. By mid-2012, the insurgency had escalated into a full-blown civil war.

Rebel forces, which received arms from Gulf Cooperation Council states, Turkey and some Western countries, initially made significant advances against the government forces, which were receiving financial and military support from Iran and Russia. Rebels captured the regional capitals of Raqqa in 2013 and Idlib in 2015. Consequently, Iran and Russia launched separate military interventions in support of the Syrian government in 2014 and 2015 respectively, shifting the balance of the conflict. By late 2018, all rebel strongholds except parts of Idlib region had fallen to the government forces.

In 2014, the Islamic State won many battles against both the rebel factions and the Syrian government. Combined with simultaneous success in Iraq, the group was able to seize control of large parts of Eastern Syria and Western Iraq, prompting the U.S.-led CJTF coalition to launch an aerial bombing campaign against it, while providing ground support and supplies to the Kurdish-majority Syrian Democratic Forces. By way of battles that culminated in the Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor offensives, the Islamic State was territorially defeated by late 2017. In August 2016, Turkey launched a multi-pronged invasion of northern Syria, in response to the creation of Rojava, while also fighting the Islamic State and government forces in the process. Between the March 2020 Idlib ceasefire and late 2024, frontline fighting mostly subsided, but there were regular skirmishes.

Heavy fighting renewed with a major rebel offensive in the northwest led by Tahrir al-Sham and supported by allied groups in the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army in November 2024, during which Aleppo, Hama and Homs were seized. Southern rebels who had previously reconciled with the government subsequently launched their own offensive, capturing Daraa and Suwayda. The Syrian Free Army and the Syrian Democratic Forces launched their own offensives in Palmyra and Deir ez-Zor, respectively. By 8 December, rebel forces had seized the capital, Damascus. Following this, the Ba'athist regime collapsed, with al-Assad fleeing to Moscow. On the same day, Israel launched an invasion of Syria's Quneitra Governorate, aiming to seize the UN buffer zone in the Golan Heights.

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Reply #6 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:33pm:

Islamic State will move in and eventually attack Israel.

bobby,

What about the real, geo-political interests of Turkey ?

Turkey is an important player in the region.

.......and Turkey has long sought to promote itself as 'the' dominant hub >> of ISLAMIC influence << in the M.E.

And the ISLAMISTS within the Turkish regime, have made no secret,
that they despise the presence of the 'Zionist State', upon ISLAM's real estate.

FURTHER....
The HTS rebels in Syria owe a lot, to the Turkish support and protection which they have received,
and could be regarded as possible direct proxies of Turkey, in the region ?

An established HTS regime in Syria, could give Turkish 'interests', direct access to Syria's border area with Israel.

How would Israel respond, .....if any threat emerged from Turkish 'interests' close to the border with Israel ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Will the HTS rebels bring peace to Syria ?
Reply #7 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:31pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:33pm:

Islamic State will move in and eventually attack Israel.

bobby,

What about the real, geo-political interests of Turkey ?

Turkey is an important player in the region.

.......and Turkey has long sought to promote itself as 'the' dominant hub >> of ISLAMIC influence << in the M.E.

And the ISLAMISTS within the Turkish regime, have made no secret,
that they despise the presence of the 'Zionist State', upon ISLAM's real estate.

FURTHER....
The HTS rebels in Syria owe a lot, to the Turkish support and protection which they have received,
and could be regarded as possible direct proxies of Turkey, in the region ?

An established HTS regime in Syria, could give Turkish 'interests', direct access to Syria's border area with Israel.

How would Israel respond, .....if any threat emerged from Turkish 'interests' close to the border with Israel ?

The Turks want to recreate the Ottoman empire -
they want to take back all that promised land from the Jews.

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Re: Will the HTS rebels bring peace to Syria ?
Reply #8 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:46pm

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:03pm:

This looks really interesting.

A genuine fight for democracy.

You should be hoping they win Yadda.

It could be a complete reversal of what we saw with the Islamic State.

With their recent experience of IS and Assad the Syrian people will be wary of any alternative to democracy.

'You should be hoping they win Yadda.'

freediver,

I see any possible 'outcome' for the people of Syria [in 2025],
being directed more by local realpolitik reality,
rather than some 'apparent', and ethereal 'popular' 'optimism'.

From my perspective, what may occur, isn't about the influence of 'hope',
so much as the influence of [the longstanding cultural] reality.

Have you ever noticed......?
Moslem majority societies........their leaders will always encourage the people to celebrate.
........but their leaders never, ever, encourage the people to complain about some aspect of the status quo.

Repression.

freediver,

Back in 2011, we all witnessed the events of the 'Arab Spring'.

QUESTION;
Of all of the moslem majority nations which were affected by the 'Arab Spring',
which nations, which people, would you say,
enjoyed any real and lasting direct benefit,
from that period of immense suffering and upheaval ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #9 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:31pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:33pm:

Islamic State will move in and eventually attack Israel.

bobby,

What about the real, geo-political interests of Turkey ?

Turkey is an important player in the region.

.......and Turkey has long sought to promote itself as 'the' dominant hub >> of ISLAMIC influence << in the M.E.

And the ISLAMISTS within the Turkish regime, have made no secret,
that they despise the presence of the 'Zionist State', upon ISLAM's real estate.

FURTHER....
The HTS rebels in Syria owe a lot, to the Turkish support and protection which they have received,
and could be regarded as possible direct proxies of Turkey, in the region ?

An established HTS regime in Syria, could give Turkish 'interests', direct access to Syria's border area with Israel.

How would Israel respond, .....if any threat emerged from Turkish 'interests' close to the border with Israel ?

The Turks want to recreate the Ottoman empire -
they want to take back all that promised land from the Jews.

Probably.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41814	Re: Will the HTS rebels bring peace to Syria ? Reply #10 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:20am You proudly disappear your Islamophobia at every turn, Yadda. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #11 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 11:20am:

You proudly disappear your Islamophobia at every turn, Yadda.

Yadda said......

I am not an 'ISLAM-O-PHOBE'

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1732843354/0#0

.....rather, i recognise followers of ISLAM,
for what they truly are.

It isn't rocket science, ......to understand what the followers of ISLAM are 'about'.

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ABC social engineering....

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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WWW SEARCH........
[search for this whole string....]
"Cause of Allah" "Jihad" site:www.thereligionofpeace.com

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

WWW SEARCH........
[search for this whole string....]
"Cause of Allah" "Jihad" site:www.jihadwatch.org/

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/09/fatah-hails-jihadi-with-quran-quote-never-thi...

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Yadda said3.......
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/0#0
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1582638136/0#0

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41814	Re: Will the HTS rebels bring peace to Syria ? Reply #12 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:08pm Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Yadda. Islamophobia everywhere. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #13 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:08pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Yadda.

Islamophobia everywhere.

brian,

Oh, dearie, .....followers of ISLAM 'spilling the beans'.

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ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.

EVIDENCES, from the lips of devout moslems ------ >

Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam

01/05/2007

In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed:

"Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".

The article advised:

"The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.

There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims.

Not only is it obligatory to fight them,
it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-...

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ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.

EVIDENCES, from the lips of devout moslems ------ >

Quote:

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.

And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

this is an old link, but the article is kosher.

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ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.

EVIDENCES, from the lips of devout moslems ------ >

This UK moslem community leader, is speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005

......In public interviews
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people,
but not any kuffar.”

n.b. 'kuffar' = = disbeliever

these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts

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EVEN MORE EVIDENCES, IN THESE TWO VIDEOS........
[....of what moslems are willing to reveal about their 'religion',
whenever they are speaking 'behind closed doors'.]

CHANNEL 4 UNDERCOVER MOSQUE

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These two videos expose the truth about ISLAM, and about moslem communities living in the West.

ISLAM in the West, is all about cultural subversion and seeking actual harm, towards 'those who are not us'.
[Koran 9.123 Koran 5.51 Koran 2.98 Koran 48.29]

WATCH THESE TWO VIDEOS......
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....they reveal A LOT, about the followers of ISLAM, in the UK

#01

Undercover Mosque [ Part 1 ] Un-United Kingdom of Islam

49 min
February 4th, 2022
https://old.bitchute.com/video/synpQltrUMLs/

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Jihad and Jihad, and Jihad.....

@00.40 "The Last Day will not come, until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them."

#02

Undercover Mosque [ Part 2 ] The Return, Real Stories

49 min
February 4th, 2022
https://old.bitchute.com/video/1P8srghUszCR/

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ANOTHER, MORE RECENT EXAMPLE ----- >

LOOK AT THE DATE OF THE ARTICLE !
THIS MOSLEM 'POET', WAS NOT SPEAKING IN THE DISTANT PAST.

Quote:

Turkish Muslim poet:
‘The first duty of Muslims is to be terrorists.
Kafirs [infidels] should be afraid of Muslims.’

>> Oct 2, 2024 <<

By Robert Spencer

   ?smet Özel, a well-known Muslim poet from Turkey, said at a conference:

      “Muslims are terrorists.
         The first duty of Muslims is to be terrorists.
         Kafirs [infidels] should be afraid of Muslims.
         If they are not afraid, then a Muslim is not a Muslim.”
                  https://t.co/oyNMAnLP7E

   — Uzay Bulut (@bulutuzay_) September 27, 2024

Q.
Is this guy a “racist, bigoted, Islamophobe”?

Or does he know his own religion?

https://jihadwatch.org/2024/10/turkish-muslim-poet-the-first-duty-of-muslims-is-...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Question: Will the HTS rebels bring peace and an 'open' society to Syria ?
Look! Pigs can fly! 1 (50.0%) The Syrian people will make a utopian 0 (0.0%) The influence of the HTS rebels, will 0 (0.0%) HTS rebels will morph Syria, into a 0 (0.0%) Within 12 months, emerging ISLAMIC 1 (50.0%) Total votes: 2 « Created by: Yadda on: Dec 15^th, 2024 at 7:42pm »