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Reply #15 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:24pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:09pm:

Don't confuse ineptitude for intent.

Trump explored the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons to himself, his family members, and close allies. These discussions emerged amid concerns about potential legal challenges after leaving office. He couldn't figure out how to do it and gave up.

So, he tried and failed.

And so far for Biden, no action has been taken yet either, unless something has changes since I last looked?

Don't count your chickens mate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/biden-considering-preemptive-pardons-for-trump-cri...

FAUCI to get away with it -
for murdering 7 million people and causing over $40 trillion in economic damage.

Biden considering preemptive pardons for Trump critics like Fauci, Schiff and Cheney

CBS News has learned President Biden is considering issuing preemptive pardons for some of President-elect Donald Trump's biggest critics. Among the names being floated are Dr. Anthony Fauci, who served as the top science adviser during the height of COVID-19, California Democratic Senator-elect Adam Schiff, who led the first impeachment effort against Trump, and former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, who was part of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. CBS News chief White House correspondent Nancy Cordes has more.

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #17 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:34pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

Can you provide a link to where he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons, unless its not true and you are going to run away. (see I am learning)

It was widely reported at the time, but here is summary from Fox News,

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On Dec. 1, 2020, The New York Times ran the headline "Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani," alleging that the then-president was mulling "pre-emptive pardons" to Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump as well as his son-in-law Jared Kushner. The report even alleged that Trump was considering issuing pardons "for crimes they have not yet committed — essentially a prospective get-out-of-jail-free card."

There were multiple other reports, but it seems the New York Times was one of the first to make the claim.

Oh dear.

And on top of that, we have this:

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #19 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:09pm:

Don't confuse ineptitude for intent.

Trump explored the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons to himself, his family members, and close allies. These discussions emerged amid concerns about potential legal challenges after leaving office. He couldn't figure out how to do it and gave up.

So, he tried and failed.

And so far for Biden, no action has been taken yet either, unless something has changes since I last looked?

Don't count your chickens mate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/biden-considering-preemptive-pardons-for-trump-cri...

FAUCI to get away with it -
for murdering 7 million people and causing over $40 trillion in economic damage.

Biden considering preemptive pardons for Trump critics like Fauci, Schiff and Cheney

CBS News has learned President Biden is considering issuing preemptive pardons for some of President-elect Donald Trump's biggest critics. Among the names being floated are Dr. Anthony Fauci, who served as the top science adviser during the height of COVID-19, California Democratic Senator-elect Adam Schiff, who led the first impeachment effort against Trump, and former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, who was part of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. CBS News chief White House correspondent Nancy Cordes has more.

Considering isn't action, just like when Trump attempted it.

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #20 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

Biden is a crook -
he the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.

A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #21 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:58pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.

A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.

Preemptive Pardons - don't make me laugh. Roll Eyes

Pardons are for people who have been convicted of crimes and are rotting in jail. Roll Eyes

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #22 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:59pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

Can you provide a link to where he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons, unless its not true and you are going to run away. (see I am learning)

It was widely reported at the time, but here is summary from Fox News,

Quote:

On Dec. 1, 2020, The New York Times ran the headline "Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani," alleging that the then-president was mulling "pre-emptive pardons" to Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump as well as his son-in-law Jared Kushner. The report even alleged that Trump was considering issuing pardons "for crimes they have not yet committed — essentially a prospective get-out-of-jail-free card."

There were multiple other reports, but it seems the New York Times was one of the first to make the claim.

So you were lying when you said he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons. There is nothing here that says he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons.

From your own evidence:
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Four years before President Biden shocked the nation with the pardon of his son Hunter, the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children before he left office in January 2021.

Sounds like this was a conspiracy theory you bought into.

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Reply #23 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 2:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.

A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.

Preemptive Pardons - don't make me laugh. Roll Eyes

Pardons are for people who have been convicted of crimes and are rotting in jail. Roll Eyes

What about this, Bobbi?

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Why would he be asking for a preemptive pardon if he's innocent?

I'm curious.

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #24 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:48pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

Can you provide a link to where he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons, unless its not true and you are going to run away. (see I am learning)

It was widely reported at the time, but here is summary from Fox News,

Quote:

On Dec. 1, 2020, The New York Times ran the headline "Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani," alleging that the then-president was mulling "pre-emptive pardons" to Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump as well as his son-in-law Jared Kushner. The report even alleged that Trump was considering issuing pardons "for crimes they have not yet committed — essentially a prospective get-out-of-jail-free card."

There were multiple other reports, but it seems the New York Times was one of the first to make the claim.

So you were lying when you said he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons. There is nothing here that says he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons.

From your own evidence:
Quote:

Four years before President Biden shocked the nation with the pardon of his son Hunter, the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children before he left office in January 2021.

Sounds like this was a conspiracy theory you bought into.

Trump was reportedly involved in discussions about the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons. The speculation centred on who might be the recipients of such pardons, not that the discussions were taking place.

There is a nuanced distinction here, one I’m sure you simply overlooked. You wouldn’t be so disingenuous as to deliberately misrepresent someone’s statement, would you?

Mistakes happen, after all.

It’s intriguing that you would label the link as “evidence” when I never described it in such terms. You might want to be more cautious about how many cracks you let show in your mask, this is all starting to feel remarkably familiar.

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #25 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:55pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Trump was reportedly involved in discussions about the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons. The speculation centred on who might be the recipients of such pardons, not that the discussions were taking place.

There is a nuanced distinction here, one I’m sure you simply overlooked. You wouldn’t be so disingenuous as to deliberately misrepresent someone’s statement, would you?

Mistakes happen, after all.

It’s intriguing that you would label the link as “evidence” when I never described it in such terms. You might want to be more cautious about how many cracks you let show in your mask, this is all starting to feel remarkably familiar.

Your exact words were that Trump "tried and failed".

Trump never tried to give anyone a pre-emptive pardon, you just made that up, or you believed the conspiracy theory that the legacy media invented.

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #26 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.

A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.

Preemptive Pardons - don't make me laugh. Roll Eyes

Pardons are for people who have been convicted of crimes and are rotting in jail. Roll Eyes

What about this, Bobbi?

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Why would he be asking for a preemptive pardon if he's innocent?

I'm curious.

Bobbi?

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Re: Preemptive Pardons
Reply #27 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 4:49pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Trump was reportedly involved in discussions about the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons. The speculation centred on who might be the recipients of such pardons, not that the discussions were taking place.

There is a nuanced distinction here, one I’m sure you simply overlooked. You wouldn’t be so disingenuous as to deliberately misrepresent someone’s statement, would you?

Mistakes happen, after all.

It’s intriguing that you would label the link as “evidence” when I never described it in such terms. You might want to be more cautious about how many cracks you let show in your mask, this is all starting to feel remarkably familiar.

Your exact words were that Trump "tried and failed".

Trump never tried to give anyone a pre-emptive pardon, you just made that up, or you believed the conspiracy theory that the legacy media invented.

Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.

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Reply #28 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 5:27pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 4:49pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Trump was reportedly involved in discussions about the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons. The speculation centred on who might be the recipients of such pardons, not that the discussions were taking place.

There is a nuanced distinction here, one I’m sure you simply overlooked. You wouldn’t be so disingenuous as to deliberately misrepresent someone’s statement, would you?

Mistakes happen, after all.

It’s intriguing that you would label the link as “evidence” when I never described it in such terms. You might want to be more cautious about how many cracks you let show in your mask, this is all starting to feel remarkably familiar.

Your exact words were that Trump "tried and failed".

Trump never tried to give anyone a pre-emptive pardon, you just made that up, or you believed the conspiracy theory that the legacy media invented.

Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.

I took that stance from day one.

I had him pegged.

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Reply #29 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 5:36pm

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Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before?

Half the Trump team in 2020 were asking for this and it was based on the fact that they knew they were involved in crimes.

As far as I can see nobody is asking in 2024.

These preemptive pardons are a good thing because never before have we had an insane criminal
Non President threatening to put everyone he disagrees with in prison.

Trump will rule a combined autocracy and idiocracy.

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