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Reply #15 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:13pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:10pm:
Carl D wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:50am:
By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today.

And there will be a lot more sick and dead people.

But, don't just take my word for it.

'Things will start to topple': Report outlines possible public health disaster under Trump

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A new report from NPR outlines just how quickly public health in the United States could unravel should anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. be confirmed to run the Health and Human Services Department.

NPR spoke with several public health experts who feared that RFK Jr.'s appointment as the nation's top health official could "cause renewed, deadly epidemics of measles, whooping cough, meningitis, or even polio."

James Hodge, a public health law expert at Arizona State University's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, said that putting Kennedy in charge of HHS would be a sea change in public health policy -- and not for the better.


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"The litany of things that will start to topple is profound," he said. "We're going to experience a seminal change in vaccine law and policy."

Lawrence Gostin, a professor of public health law at Georgetown University, was even more blunt about the impact of Kennedy's appointment and declared, "He's going to make America sick again."


Yes, he most certainly will. The next 4 years are going to be a disaster for Americans' health.


Leroy may want a link, Carl. Do you want to post him one?


Surely Leroy knows how to Google things   Undecided

Or, is he too busy obsessing over CP and Frank's obsession with Trump & paedophilia?

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Re: Americas health system
Reply #16 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:20pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 3:39pm:


You mean Dr Oz, as seen on TV, on Oprah?

I can't possibly imagine, Greggery. Mind you, there's a definite theme. What do all of DL's cabinet picks have in common?

Apart from their shared hatred of Oprah. If I was her, I'd be expecting a visit in the middle of the night. Let's hope her friend Gail manages to put a nighty on in time, eh?

We wouldn't want to see them do their perp walks naked on live TV, now would we?

WITCH HUNT !!!
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Reply #17 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am:
America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.



Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.
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Reply #18 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:26pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am:
America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.



Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.


Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying.

On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL.

You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?
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Reply #19 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:34pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:13pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:10pm:
Carl D wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:50am:
By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today.

And there will be a lot more sick and dead people.

But, don't just take my word for it.

'Things will start to topple': Report outlines possible public health disaster under Trump

Quote:
A new report from NPR outlines just how quickly public health in the United States could unravel should anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. be confirmed to run the Health and Human Services Department.

NPR spoke with several public health experts who feared that RFK Jr.'s appointment as the nation's top health official could "cause renewed, deadly epidemics of measles, whooping cough, meningitis, or even polio."

James Hodge, a public health law expert at Arizona State University's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, said that putting Kennedy in charge of HHS would be a sea change in public health policy -- and not for the better.


Quote:
"The litany of things that will start to topple is profound," he said. "We're going to experience a seminal change in vaccine law and policy."

Lawrence Gostin, a professor of public health law at Georgetown University, was even more blunt about the impact of Kennedy's appointment and declared, "He's going to make America sick again."


Yes, he most certainly will. The next 4 years are going to be a disaster for Americans' health.


Leroy may want a link, Carl. Do you want to post him one?


Surely Leroy knows how to Google things   Undecided

Or, is he too busy obsessing over CP and Frank's obsession with Trump & paedophilia?



Is that so? Well, I'm offended.

I do hope Leroy manages to talk Frank around. The last thing we want to see is more kiddies getting raped on camera, right?

Despicable stuff. I'd advise Frank to sneak any dirty films into his neighbour's bin on rubbish night.

The last thing we need in our country is yet another naughty old sex tourist.

I trust this puts the matter to rest.
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Reply #20 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 11:03pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 3:45pm:

The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs....America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!!




The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs....
America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!! graft.

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graft3 = = bribery and other corrupt measures pursued for gain in politics or business.


A 'Free market',  .....is a healthy place to do business.   [.....where there are competitors]

But where there is [hidden] graft and [hidden] monopolistic practices, those practices can only really be for the benefit a single party.


monopoly = = the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.       a company or group having a monopoly, or a commodity or service controlled by one.


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Reply #21 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 11:22pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 11:03pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 3:45pm:

The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs....America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!!




The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs....
America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!! graft.

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graft3 = = bribery and other corrupt measures pursued for gain in politics or business.


A 'Free market',  .....is a healthy place to do business.   [.....where there are competitors]

But where there is [hidden] graft and [hidden] monopolistic practices, those practices can only really be for the benefit a single party.


monopoly = = the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.       a company or group having a monopoly, or a commodity or service controlled by one.




I agree, Y. There's a company in Chi-na with the lion's share of the MAGA cap business.

And don't get me started on Jared and Ivanka. What with Operation Warp Speed, Jared's Saudi Sovereign Wealth Funds and Ivanka's Chinese voting machine parents, the game's stitched up.

Despicable stuff.

I blame the billionaire elites. Imagine what the place would be like without them. It's easy if you try, no?

No fake cures, vitamin supplements, erection enhancers or weird scientific experiments on lungs.

Sure, it could put Alex Jones out of business, but I do feel it's the right thing to do.

As for Elon, I say we let bygones be bygones. Sure he runs $13 bil worth of US federal satellite contracts. Come the end of his term, he'll own a newly privatized NASA.

Not bad for a day's work at the Department Of Government Efficiency, no?

DEEP STATE !!!

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Reply #22 - Dec 18th, 2024 at 11:54pm
 
May I ask a question?

Have any of you actually lived in America and used their health services?
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Reply #23 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:28am
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:26pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am:
America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.



Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.


Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying.

On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL.

You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?



All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience.
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Reply #24 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:30am
 
Daves2017 wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 11:54pm:
May I ask a question?

Have any of you actually lived in America and used their health services?


I don't think you will find any here.
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Reply #25 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:53am
 
Daves2017 wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 11:54pm:
May I ask a question?

Have any of you actually lived in America and used their health services?


Never ever, Big Daves. Who could afford to? I know Yanks who buy their pills from vets because their dogs get a better deal on drugs. 

Over in America, the corporates run the joint. The politicians sell the country to the corporates for their campaign funds. Big Tech, big pharma, big DRILL BABY DRILL.

Big Tech and Pharma bought a job in the incoming administration, cooking the books for cheap government contracts. Elon the tech guy, Ramaswami the drug guru, it's a match made in DOGE heaven. 

The oil industry's been sold energy policy for a billion in political donations. All the others on the big fella's team are Fox News talent, bought, sold and paid for by you-know-who.

All of it's on the level. The big fella announced it in public. Rupert, he said, I know you're watching. Elon, he said, get over here.

Rupert was indeed watching. Elon bounced on and delivered his Dark MAGA routine. Big oil just yawned. With their global contracts fixed for years, it hardly matters who's in power. They paid their bil anyway - it was worth it just to shut him up for five minutes.

Once all the applause has wound down, the big fella will pretend he said no such thing. The elites? He'll say. Never heard of them. We're just doing it for the kids.

Then, right on cue, the sycophants and suckholes will echo the message. Like an army of ants, out they'll go, marching in line on their pheromone trails, their antennae buzzing like the frantic drones they are. Ceaseless, relentless, they can clear a rainforest floor in minutes, never once pausing to fathom what on earth they're up to, but do you know?

We will. We'll know exactly what they're doing. The only question I have for you is this:

Will you?
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Reply #26 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 1:01am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:28am:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:26pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am:
America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.



Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.


Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying.

On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL.

You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?



All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience.


Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor?

After that, how much do you pay for your meds?

And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance?

Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system.
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Reply #27 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 2:13am
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am:
America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.



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Reply #28 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 8:32am
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 11:22pm:

I agree, Y. There's a company in Chi-na with the lion's share of the MAGA cap business.

And don't get me started on Jared and Ivanka. What with Operation Warp Speed, Jared's Saudi Sovereign Wealth Funds and Ivanka's Chinese voting machine parents, the game's stitched up.

Despicable stuff.

I blame the billionaire elites. Imagine what the place would be like without them. It's easy if you try, no?

No fake cures, vitamin supplements, erection enhancers or weird scientific experiments on lungs.

Sure, it could put Alex Jones out of business, but I do feel it's the right thing to do.

As for Elon, I say we let bygones be bygones. Sure he runs $13 bil worth of US federal satellite contracts. Come the end of his term, he'll own a newly privatized NASA.

Not bad for a day's work at the Department Of Government Efficiency, no?

DEEP STATE !!!





Karnal,

You are closely related to Kamala Harris, right ?

Come on, don't deny it !



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Chi-na
MAGA cap business.
Jared
Ivanka. What with
Operation Warp Speed,
Saudi Sovereign Wealth Funds and
Ivanka's Chinese
voting machine parents, the
game's stitched up.
Despicable stuff.
billionaire elites.
Imagine........It's easy if you try, no?
fake cures,
vitamin supplements,
erection enhancers or
weird scientific experiments on
lungs.
Alex Jones
Elon,
let bygones be bygones.
$13 bil worth of US federal satellite contracts.
a newly privatized NASA.
the Department Of Government Efficiency, no?
DEEP STATE !!!




Karnal,

Are you thinking about running for 'Pres' in 28 ?

Grin


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Reply #29 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 10:47am
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am:
Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.


Good.

Their system is a dysfunctional mess. Yet both he and Trump are operating from within the very party responsible for creating and perpetuating that chaos. If RFK Jr. starts pushing for changes that genuinely threaten their objectives, his tenure will be short-lived.

It's deeply frustrating because, while the man is undoubtedly a lunatic, he happens to be correct about some health issues.

That said, his body count, fueled by the consequences of his reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric, likely surpasses even the most exaggerated claims about the Clintons.
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