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Re: Americas health system
Reply #45 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:05am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 1:01am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:28am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:22pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.

Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.

Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying.

On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL.

You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?

All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience.

Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor?

After that, how much do you pay for your meds?

And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance?

Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system.

Our price to see the Doctor is a $30 co-pay.

My prescriptions are generally under $20 with insurance.

I pay a little over $300 per month for family coverage. It is a better system than charging the public an extra dollar for a gallon of motor fuel and claiming health coverage is free.

Our medical costs for treatments are generally under $100. Something more serious is a case by case situation and I couldn't guess those costs to patients.

One friend of mine was in a coma for about a month before he died. The medical bills were over one million dollars, his coverage paid it all. His family was billed nothing.

My brother became suddenly ill, spent the day in the emergency room and died that same day. Medical care cost over $140,000, his estate part of the bill was less than $90.

People with chronic illnesses incur some high medical bills and even they see most of their medical care covered or forgiven. We are good friends with a morbidly obese couple and their monthly prescription cost is several hundred dollars a month. However their occasional hospital stays cost them very little.

I see. Here in my multicultural ghetto in Western Sydney, the cost to see a doctor is $0.

The cap for prescription meds is US$19.77. Most meds are cheaper. If receiving a government benefit, the total cost per script is $4.82.

Health insurance is free under the Commonwealth Medicare system.

People with chronic illnesses are treated free in all public hospitals.

But that's just us. Your people with chronic illnesses never ever see their health costs "forgiven". The number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills.

I'm guessing that's what you meant, no? People can relieve the strain of their treatment and the high cost of medical care by declaring bankruptcy.

Now, would you still like me to share my experience of the American health care system?

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Re: Americas health system
Reply #46 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:20am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

kennedy has said that he will be supportive of the current vaccine schedule (as indeed he should)

Should? RFK Jnr has spent the past decade blaming the current vaccine schedule for everything from autism and obesity to dementia.

Are you saying he should go back on everything you applauded him telling Joe Rogan?

Come come. Next you'll be telling us the Superior Man's stable and reliable, hand on the tiller, steady as she goes. Unwavering, unflinching, steadfast, brave and true. Not so much a man as a God.

Let's face it, the Superior Man should cave at the first opportunity. That's what you really meant to say, no?

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Reply #47 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:32am

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:05am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 1:01am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:28am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:22pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.

Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.

Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying.

On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL.

You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?

All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience.

Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor?

After that, how much do you pay for your meds?

And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance?

Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system.

Our price to see the Doctor is a $30 co-pay.

My prescriptions are generally under $20 with insurance.

I pay a little over $300 per month for family coverage. It is a better system than charging the public an extra dollar for a gallon of motor fuel and claiming health coverage is free.

Our medical costs for treatments are generally under $100. Something more serious is a case by case situation and I couldn't guess those costs to patients.

One friend of mine was in a coma for about a month before he died. The medical bills were over one million dollars, his coverage paid it all. His family was billed nothing.

My brother became suddenly ill, spent the day in the emergency room and died that same day. Medical care cost over $140,000, his estate part of the bill was less than $90.

People with chronic illnesses incur some high medical bills and even they see most of their medical care covered or forgiven. We are good friends with a morbidly obese couple and their monthly prescription cost is several hundred dollars a month. However their occasional hospital stays cost them very little.

I see. Here in my multicultural ghetto in Western Sydney, the cost to see a doctor is $0.

The cap for prescription meds is US$19.77. Most meds are cheaper. If receiving a government benefit, the total cost per script is $4.82.

Health insurance is free under the Commonwealth Medicare system.

People with chronic illnesses are treated free in all public hospitals.

But that's just us. Your people with chronic illnesses never ever see their health costs "forgiven". The number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills.

I'm guessing that's what you meant, no? People can relieve the strain of their treatment and the high cost of medical care by declaring bankruptcy.

Now, would you still like me to share my experience of the American health care system?

And you pay higher taxes and fees to have "free health care". Nothing is free, someone always pays! If your access to treatment and care is as bad as Canada I wouldn't be bragging about it. Pets have better access to care than people there.

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Reply #48 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 1:01am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:32am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:05am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 1:01am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:28am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:22pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they ed people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.

Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.

Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying.

On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL.

You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?

All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience.

Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor?

After that, how much do you pay for your meds?

And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance?

Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system.

Our price to see the Doctor is a $30 co-pay.

My prescriptions are generally under $20 with insurance.

I pay a little over $300 per month for family coverage. It is a better system than charging the public an extra dollar for a gallon of motor fuel and claiming health coverage is free.

Our medical costs for treatments are generally under $100. Something more serious is a case by case situation and I couldn't guess those costs to patients.

One friend of mine was in a coma for about a month before he died. The medical bills were over one million dollars, his coverage paid it all. His family was billed nothing.

My brother became suddenly ill, spent the day in the emergency room and died that same day. Medical care cost over $140,000, his estate part of the bill was less than $90.

People with chronic illnesses incur some high medical bills and even they see most of their medical care covered or forgiven. We are good friends with a morbidly obese couple and their monthly prescription cost is several hundred dollars a month. However their occasional hospital stays cost them very little.

I see. Here in my multicultural ghetto in Western Sydney, the cost to see a doctor is $0.

The cap for prescription meds is US$19.77. Most meds are cheaper. If receiving a government benefit, the total cost per script is $4.82.

Health insurance is free under the Commonwealth Medicare system.

People with chronic illnesses are treated free in all public hospitals.

But that's just us. Your people with chronic illnesses never ever see their health costs "forgiven". The number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills.

I'm guessing that's what you meant, no? People can relieve the strain of their treatment and the high cost of medical care by declaring bankruptcy.

Now, would you still like me to share my experience of the American health care system?

And you pay higher taxes and fees to have "free health care". Nothing is free, someone always pays! If your access to treatment and care is as bad as Canada I wouldn't be bragging about it. Pets have better access to care than people there.

Come come. Your pets pay less for their medication than your people, Mort, but let's get real. Your claim wasn't that we pay higher taxes to have "free health care". I've just provided you with the highest possible fees Australians pay.

Same medicine, lower fees. Same medical training, lower cost to see doctors. Same hospital standards, no need to declare bankruptcy.

The Australian government literally demands foreign pharmaceutical companies lower their costs to sell their products in Australia. That's not higher taxes, dear, that's just good business. Or, dare I say, good deal-making.

Your own DL could learn a thing or two from us on health care, no? It might help with his concepts of a plan.

One of the number one problems with your standard of living is the astronomical cost of your health care. This fact alone places the US below every other developed country and many developing countries too.

Canada? You have citizens who choose to live near the Canadian border so they can drive to Montreal to buy their medicine.

Canada, you see, caps the price of drugs as well. You?

You pay through the nose. You vote for big pharma-funded politicians who stiff you every chance they get.

Australia has campaign finance laws, electoral funding, mandatory voting and a host of measures that prevent us getting farmed out by cashed-up big pharma lobbyists. We have a national pharmaceutical benefits scheme and universal health care. Here, everybody gets a stab at life, not just the elites your DL represents.

So, ask me about my experience with the American health care system. I promise not to lie.

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Reply #50 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm

[quote author=Marla link=1734478588/49#49 date=1734627769]So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick

I know, right? Mort voted for the guy who's going to fix all that, Marla.

Mr Trump, you see, has concepts he's been working on since 2016.

You'll see. On Day 1, Mr Trump will make his big announcement. The leftards won't be happy then!

He'll kill it, just smash it out of the ballpark. Totally BREAKING...

Yes, the big fella will announce it to America and the world:

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

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Reply #51 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:48pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

Marla wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:02am:

So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick

I know, right? Mort voted for the guy who's going to fix all that, Marla.

Mr Trump, you see, has concepts he's been working on since 2016.

You'll see. On Day 1, Mr Trump will make his big announcement. The leftards won't be happy then!

He'll kill it, just smash it out of the ballpark. Totally BREAKING...

Yes, the big fella will announce it to America and the world:

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

That's right.

And although the wait has been long, the big announcement is coming in just ...

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Reply #52 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 5:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

Marla wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:02am:

So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick

I know, right? Mort voted for the guy who's going to fix all that, Marla.

Mr Trump, you see, has concepts he's been working on since 2016.

You'll see. On Day 1, Mr Trump will make his big announcement. The leftards won't be happy then!

He'll kill it, just smash it out of the ballpark. Totally BREAKING...

Yes, the big fella will announce it to America and the world:

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

That's right.

And although the wait has been long, the big announcement is coming in just ...

Really? He'll have it done in two weeks?

How awesome. Imagine the higher order thinking of the man. He must operate at a level few can even fathom. We're talking Leonardo da Vinci, Stephen Hawking, the late, great Hannibal Lector.

Four dimensional chess, innit. What kind of man?

Not so much a man as a God.

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Reply #53 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 6:30pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

Marla wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:02am:

So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick

I know, right? Mort voted for the guy who's going to fix all that, Marla.

Mr Trump, you see, has concepts he's been working on since 2016.

You'll see. On Day 1, Mr Trump will make his big announcement. The leftards won't be happy then!

He'll kill it, just smash it out of the ballpark. Totally BREAKING...

Yes, the big fella will announce it to America and the world:

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

That's right.

And although the wait has been long, the big announcement is coming in just ...

Really? He'll have it done in two weeks?

How awesome. Imagine the higher order thinking of the man. He must operate at a level few can even fathom. We're talking Leonardo da Vinci, Stephen Hawking, the late, great Hannibal Lector.

Four dimensional chess, innit. What kind of man?

Not so much a man as a God.

That's what they said - two weeks.

“The President in the next week or so will be laying out his vision for health care. Some of that has already been put out there – telemedicine and lowering the cost of drugs … and protecting pre-existing conditions. But the President will be laying out some additional health care steps in the coming, I would say, two weeks,” White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said on Tuesday when asked if the President’s health care plan exists. September 22, 2020

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Reply #54 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:29pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:20am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

kennedy has said that he will be supportive of the current vaccine schedule (as indeed he should)

Should? RFK Jnr has spent the past decade blaming the current vaccine schedule for everything from autism and obesity to dementia.

Are you saying he should go back on everything you applauded him telling Joe Rogan?

Come come. Next you'll be telling us the Superior Man's stable and reliable, hand on the tiller, steady as she goes. Unwavering, unflinching, steadfast, brave and true. Not so much a man as a God.

Let's face it, the Superior Man should cave at the first opportunity. That's what you really meant to say, no?

rogan is on the record as saying his kids have had every shot Roll Eyes

why must the left lie Cry

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Reply #55 - Yesterday at 1:54am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:20am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

kennedy has said that he will be supportive of the current vaccine schedule (as indeed he should)

Should? RFK Jnr has spent the past decade blaming the current vaccine schedule for everything from autism and obesity to dementia.

Are you saying he should go back on everything you applauded him telling Joe Rogan?

Come come. Next you'll be telling us the Superior Man's stable and reliable, hand on the tiller, steady as she goes. Unwavering, unflinching, steadfast, brave and true. Not so much a man as a God.

Let's face it, the Superior Man should cave at the first opportunity. That's what you really meant to say, no?

rogan is on the record as saying his kids have had every shot Roll Eyes

why must the left lie Cry

Is that so?

Joe Rogan, RFK Jnr, Alex Jones, the entire anti-vaxxer movement - all safe, snug and vaxxed.

Well, that settles that. Thanks for the information, dear.

Next time they decide to spread fake news, kill a few mil and sell a few off-license horse dewormers, you can remind us all about their kids' vaccination status.

RIGGED WITCH HUNT !!!

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Reply #56 - Yesterday at 10:40pm

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Come come. Your pets pay less for their medication than your people, Mort, but let's get real. Your claim wasn't that we pay higher taxes to have "free health care". I've just provided you with the highest possible fees Australians pay.

Same medicine, lower fees. Same medical training, lower cost to see doctors. Same hospital standards, no need to declare bankruptcy.

The Australian government literally demands foreign pharmaceutical companies lower their costs to sell their products in Australia. That's not higher taxes, dear, that's just good business. Or, dare I say, good deal-making.

Your own DL could learn a thing or two from us on health care, no? It might help with his concepts of a plan.

One of the number one problems with your standard of living is the astronomical cost of your health care. This fact alone places the US below every other developed country and many developing countries too.

Canada? You have citizens who choose to live near the Canadian border so they can drive to Montreal to buy their medicine.

Canada, you see, caps the price of drugs as well. You?

You pay through the nose. You vote for big pharma-funded politicians who stiff you every chance they get.

Australia has campaign finance laws, electoral funding, mandatory voting and a host of measures that prevent us getting farmed out by cashed-up big pharma lobbyists. We have a national pharmaceutical benefits scheme and universal health care. Here, everybody gets a stab at life, not just the elites your DL represents.

So, ask me about my experience with the American health care system. I promise not to lie.

I pay much more for any pet medication needed than for family. I have had Newfoundland dogs for almost 25 years and a trip to the Vet can easily run a few hundred dollars. One of mine was diagnosed with Cushing's disease and her medication had to be prepared by a compounding pharmacy because dosage is administered based on weight. Her condition cost over one hundred dollars a month. We do not take any form a regular medication so the human cost is zero.

The number one cause of bankruptcy is easy credit, not medical bills. Most people's large medical costs happen in the last few months of life and most or all of it is payed by insurance.

The drug companies are able to recover the cost of research and development from Americans, if the rest of you payed your fair share our cost would be hardly more than yours. We basically subsidize your lower costs. Americans going to Canada to avoid paying R & D is common. They would never go there for treatment of a major illness.

My cost for health care is virtually nothing except for the monthly premium for insurance, nothing astronomical about it.

Your turn, tell me about your experience with the American health system.

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Mortdooley wrote Yesterday at 10:40pm:

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Come come. Your pets pay less for their medication than your people, Mort, but let's get real. Your claim wasn't that we pay higher taxes to have "free health care". I've just provided you with the highest possible fees Australians pay.

Same medicine, lower fees. Same medical training, lower cost to see doctors. Same hospital standards, no need to declare bankruptcy.

The Australian government literally demands foreign pharmaceutical companies lower their costs to sell their products in Australia. That's not higher taxes, dear, that's just good business. Or, dare I say, good deal-making.

Your own DL could learn a thing or two from us on health care, no? It might help with his concepts of a plan.

One of the number one problems with your standard of living is the astronomical cost of your health care. This fact alone places the US below every other developed country and many developing countries too.

Canada? You have citizens who choose to live near the Canadian border so they can drive to Montreal to buy their medicine.

Canada, you see, caps the price of drugs as well. You?

You pay through the nose. You vote for big pharma-funded politicians who stiff you every chance they get.

Australia has campaign finance laws, electoral funding, mandatory voting and a host of measures that prevent us getting farmed out by cashed-up big pharma lobbyists. We have a national pharmaceutical benefits scheme and universal health care. Here, everybody gets a stab at life, not just the elites your DL represents.

So, ask me about my experience with the American health care system. I promise not to lie.

I pay much more for any pet medication needed than for family. I have had Newfoundland dogs for almost 25 years and a trip to the Vet can easily run a few hundred dollars. One of mine was diagnosed with Cushing's disease and her medication had to be prepared by a compounding pharmacy because dosage is administered based on weight. Her condition cost over one hundred dollars a month. We do not take any form a regular medication so the human cost is zero.

The number one cause of bankruptcy is easy credit, not medical bills. Most people's large medical costs happen in the last few months of life and most or all of it is payed by insurance.

The drug companies are able to recover the cost of research and development from Americans, if the rest of you payed your fair share our cost would be hardly more than yours. We basically subsidize your lower costs. Americans going to Canada to avoid paying R & D is common. They would never go there for treatment of a major illness.

My cost for health care is virtually nothing except for the monthly premium for insurance, nothing astronomical about it.

Your turn, tell me about your experience with the American health system.

But of course. As soon as I read a lie-free reply, I'll say.

Until then, your drug companies aren't spending all their money on research and development, dear, they're spending it on marketing - to you. Your drug companies put ads on the tele to get you running off to your doctors to ask for drugs.

Here Down Under, that's haram. Yet another reason why we pay less for our drugs.

My experience of the US health care system? Watching ads for Zoloft on your free-to-air TV. It's not just your politicians getting farmed by big pharma, dear, it's you

You?

Yes, Mort, you. Triple the cost of the same level of care as us Down Under. The most expensive health care system in the world, and a large proportion of your population can't even afford what your dogs take for granted at your vets.

You.

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