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Reply #76 - Today at 11:16am

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

That would be due to obesity and the health system trying to find pills to solve the problem. The pharmaceutical industry will not make billions from healthy people.

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Reply #77 - Today at 11:25am

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

VP Elect, Donald J. Trump, is currently 78.5 years old.

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Reply #78 - Today at 11:42am

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Reply #79 - Today at 12:40pm

Leroy wrote Today at 11:16am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

That would be due to obesity and the health system trying to find pills to solve the problem. The pharmaceutical industry will not make billions from healthy people.

Australia also has an issue with obesity… but no issue with access to appropriate health care - unlike the US.

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Reply #80 - Today at 12:46pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

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Reply #81 - Today at 1:05pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:28am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:22pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.

Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.

Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying.

On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL.

You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?

All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience.

We DO know what Mangione - who has experienced it - thought of the American medical system...

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Reply #82 - Today at 1:11pm

Gordon wrote Today at 12:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

And that the wait to see a doctor is 5 times longer in the US than in Australia… and nevermind the exponential difference in cost per visitation.

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Reply #83 - Today at 1:14pm

Gordon wrote Today at 12:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

Convicted felon and adjudicated rapist - Donald J. Trump - is obese and he's 78.5 years old.

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Reply #84 - Today at 1:17pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 1:11pm:

Gordon wrote Today at 12:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

And that the wait to see a doctor is 5 times longer in the US than in Australia… and nevermind the exponential difference in cost per visitation.

Any link to that statement?.

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Reply #85 - Today at 1:23pm

Leroy wrote Today at 1:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 1:11pm:

Gordon wrote Today at 12:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

And that the wait to see a doctor is 5 times longer in the US than in Australia… and nevermind the exponential difference in cost per visitation.

Any link to that statement?.

Check the image link I posted in the previous page.

Average in Australia is 4 days. In the US it’s 21 days.

A visitation in the US typically costs around $200 without resulting in a prescription. The costs increase exponentially if purchase of drugs is required.

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Reply #86 - Today at 1:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 1:23pm:

Leroy wrote Today at 1:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 1:11pm:

Gordon wrote Today at 12:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

And that the wait to see a doctor is 5 times longer in the US than in Australia… and nevermind the exponential difference in cost per visitation.

Any link to that statement?.

Check the image link I posted in the previous page.

Average in Australia is 4 days. In the US it’s 21 days.

A visitation in the US typically costs around $200 without resulting in a prescription. The costs increase exponentially if purchase of drugs is required.

The same graph shows that non urgent surgery wait time in America is 28 days.
The wait time in Australia for non urgent surgery is 48 days.

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Reply #87 - Today at 1:52pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 1:11pm:

Gordon wrote Today at 12:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

And that the wait to see a doctor is 5 times longer in the US than in Australia… and nevermind the exponential difference in cost per visitation.

Australia has about 5% more life expectancy than USA.
USA has about 30% higher obesity rates.
Obesity would be the cause the difference.

Also, USA has 24% higher rate of suicide, and the average age is well below life expectancy.

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Reply #88 - Today at 2:03pm

Gordon wrote Today at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 1:11pm:

Gordon wrote Today at 12:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

And that the wait to see a doctor is 5 times longer in the US than in Australia… and nevermind the exponential difference in cost per visitation.

Australia has about 5% more life expectancy than USA.
USA has about 30% higher obesity rates.
Obesity would be the cause the difference.

Also, USA has 24% higher rate of suicide, and the average age is well below life expectancy.

So, you’re arguing that faster access to significantly lower cost of healthcare over a lifetime has no effect on life expectancy, then?

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Reply #89 - Today at 2:11pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 2:03pm:

Gordon wrote Today at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 1:11pm:

Gordon wrote Today at 12:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:07am:

Average life expectancy from birth as of 2023.

Australia - 83 years - 8th in the world, behind Japan, Switzerland, South Korea, Singapore, Spain, Cyprus and Italy.

USA - 78.5 years - 40th in the world, behind nearly every 1st-world country.

Obesity rates in USA 41%, Australia 32% so that probably evens out the life expectancy.

And that the wait to see a doctor is 5 times longer in the US than in Australia… and nevermind the exponential difference in cost per visitation.

Australia has about 5% more life expectancy than USA.
USA has about 30% higher obesity rates.
Obesity would be the cause the difference.

Also, USA has 24% higher rate of suicide, and the average age is well below life expectancy.

So, you’re arguing that faster access to significantly lower cost of healthcare over a lifetime has no effect on life expectancy, then?

I'm just posting numbers that show it's probably way more complex, like possibly that American HEALTH CARE is undoubtedly the best in the world for people who can afford it/have decent insurance and despite it's inequality, the end result is roughly that of Australia when you factor in the obesity/suicide data that I posted.

I have a hunch that if RFK can improve the underlying health of Americans, that may have better net gains than simply providing better health care access.

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