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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 2201 New England, NSW Gender:	Townsville, a new Alice? Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:30am Seems that Townsville is getting a crime reputation. https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/townsville/queensland-crime-statistics/ Crime seems to have doubled since 2000. And a few more statistics. https://redsuburbs.com.au/suburbs/townsville-city/
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49003 At my desk.	Re: Townsville, a new Alice? Reply #1 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 11:42am That's not doubling. Does the crime rate merely reflect population growth, or is there something else happening?
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Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 11:51am

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

That's not doubling.

Does the crime rate merely reflect population growth, or is there something else happening?

No, it’s the rate of crime which is not the same as the number of crimes.
Rate is usually based on per thousand of the population and it has doubled over the period quoted.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49003 At my desk.	Re: Townsville, a new Alice? Reply #3 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:33pm The link you gave takes you to the crime numbers. Which have not doubled. You can change it to the rate, which looks like it has gone up 28%. Not double. Still, something going on, as the rate is dropping in other places.
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Reply #4 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:12pm

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

The link you gave takes you to the crime numbers. Which have not doubled. You can change it to the rate, which looks like it has gone up 28%. Not double.

Still, something going on, as the rate is dropping in other places.

Sorry about that, I was going on the crime numbers which have almost doubled and, of course the raw numbers are meaningless statistically unless converted to the rate.

Something is certainly going on, I’ve looked at a few other places, and crime rates seem to be moving up in bigger cities.

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Reply #5 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:02pm

So many rabbit holes here too spend hours looking into.
Is the increase in crime juvenile?
Domestic violence ( that’s my bet) ?
Or serious murder or attempt murder?

I constantly have people saying the police aren’t doing enough about juvenile crime in my little pocket of Qld.
I simply remind them of “ the latest murder “ ( we seem to be averaging 1 murder every two to three weeks) and suggest the police are very busy trying to solve that rather than stop juveniles from stealing.

Believe it or not our Police can’t be everywhere all of the time.

Obviously they need to work on the serious crimes first and work there way down.

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Reply #6 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:19pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

The link you gave takes you to the crime numbers. Which have not doubled. You can change it to the rate, which looks like it has gone up 28%. Not double.

Still, something going on, as the rate is dropping in other places.

Sorry about that, I was going on the crime numbers which have almost doubled and, of course the raw numbers are meaningless statistically unless converted to the rate.

Something is certainly going on, I’ve looked at a few other places, and crime rates seem to be moving up in bigger cities.

Crime rate is going down in Brisbane.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 2201 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Townsville, a new Alice? Reply #7 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:00pm ‘’ Believe it or not our Police can’t be everywhere all of the time.’’ I do believe it. That’s why I believe in Self Defence.
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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 971 Gender:	Re: Townsville, a new Alice? Reply #8 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:32pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:00pm: ‘’ Believe it or not our Police can’t be everywhere all of the time.’’ I do believe it. That’s why I believe in Self Defence. Unfortunately the government doesn’t. It’s a different discussion.
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Reply #9 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:04am

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

The link you gave takes you to the crime numbers. Which have not doubled. You can change it to the rate, which looks like it has gone up 28%. Not double.

Still, something going on, as the rate is dropping in other places.

Sorry about that, I was going on the crime numbers which have almost doubled and, of course the raw numbers are meaningless statistically unless converted to the rate.

Something is certainly going on, I’ve looked at a few other places, and crime rates seem to be moving up in bigger cities.

Crime rate is going down in Brisbane.

So is everything else - down there they even have a brain drain in the criminal classes. A lot of the downward trends in 'crime rates' are when dopey cops like we used to have far too often are steadily removed from the force and those who are reasonable and not into playing the power game over anyone whenever they felt like it - take over.

You surely can't forget the bad old days of when a copper could just charge someone and get away with anything, do you? Any lie will do in the best force that money can buy. Remember the salad days when a drive in the country was likely to net you a speeding fine in a Morris Minor as you passed through or near some sleepy town? Grin

Of COURSE the crime rates go down when the police don't just willy-nilly charge ordinary people with loading up charges ..... those days and those cops are NEARLY gone, though enclaves of them remain to be dug out and exterminated.... they continue, in some cases, to imagine in this modern day of fast communication, that distance from Police Plaza One will keep them safe from doing wrongful things.

But in the main - in the populated areas - the old 'Trifecta' violence against the people is rare ...

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Re: Townsville, a new Alice?
Reply #10 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:38am

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

The link you gave takes you to the crime numbers. Which have not doubled. You can change it to the rate, which looks like it has gone up 28%. Not double.

Still, something going on, as the rate is dropping in other places.

Sorry about that, I was going on the crime numbers which have almost doubled and, of course the raw numbers are meaningless statistically unless converted to the rate.

Something is certainly going on, I’ve looked at a few other places, and crime rates seem to be moving up in bigger cities.

Crime rate is going down in Brisbane.

Not all crime and the overall picture is not good.
https://redsuburbs.com.au/suburbs/brisbane-city/

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Reply #11 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:50am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

The link you gave takes you to the crime numbers. Which have not doubled. You can change it to the rate, which looks like it has gone up 28%. Not double.

Still, something going on, as the rate is dropping in other places.

Sorry about that, I was going on the crime numbers which have almost doubled and, of course the raw numbers are meaningless statistically unless converted to the rate.

Something is certainly going on, I’ve looked at a few other places, and crime rates seem to be moving up in bigger cities.

Crime rate is going down in Brisbane.

Not all crime and the overall picture is not good.
https://redsuburbs.com.au/suburbs/brisbane-city/

Bit hard to figure out what that site is trying to say. I suspect nothing.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48163 Gender:	Re: Townsville, a new Alice? Reply #12 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:52am How's Alice Springs going btw?
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Re: Townsville, a new Alice?
Reply #13 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:54pm

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

The link you gave takes you to the crime numbers. Which have not doubled. You can change it to the rate, which looks like it has gone up 28%. Not double.

Still, something going on, as the rate is dropping in other places.

Sorry about that, I was going on the crime numbers which have almost doubled and, of course the raw numbers are meaningless statistically unless converted to the rate.

Something is certainly going on, I’ve looked at a few other places, and crime rates seem to be moving up in bigger cities.

Crime rate is going down in Brisbane.

Not all crime and the overall picture is not good.
https://redsuburbs.com.au/suburbs/brisbane-city/

Bit hard to figure out what that site is trying to say. I suspect nothing.

The question is are they wrong?

And if so, why?

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Re: Townsville, a new Alice?
Reply #14 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:18pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

The link you gave takes you to the crime numbers. Which have not doubled. You can change it to the rate, which looks like it has gone up 28%. Not double.

Still, something going on, as the rate is dropping in other places.

Sorry about that, I was going on the crime numbers which have almost doubled and, of course the raw numbers are meaningless statistically unless converted to the rate.

Something is certainly going on, I’ve looked at a few other places, and crime rates seem to be moving up in bigger cities.

Crime rate is going down in Brisbane.

Not all crime and the overall picture is not good.
https://redsuburbs.com.au/suburbs/brisbane-city/

Bit hard to figure out what that site is trying to say. I suspect nothing.

The question is are they wrong?

And if so, why?

It's hard to be wrong if you don't actually say anything.

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