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Labor scare campaign lies
Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:21pm

The expected Labor scare campaign against nuclear power has begun. Why can't they debate the pro's and con's with fact instead of resorting to bare-faced lies? Easy - they'd lose the debate every day of the week. The latest scare campaign advertisement has a former GP and now anti-nuclear activist claiming (without offering any evidence whatsoever to back up her claims) that nuclear power causes cancer, strokes and heart attacks.

An UNSCEAR factoid said exposure to nuclear radiation, known as ionising radiation, can increase the incidence of certain types of cancer years or decades after exposure at low doses below the levels associated with early onset injury or death. However, the effects on human health, including unborn children, were untraceable at levels between 0-10 millisieverts (mSv), the unit which measures radiation absorbed by the body. According to the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission (USNRC), people living within 50 miles (about 80km) of a nuclear power plant would receive an average radiation dose of about 0.01 millirem per year – a hundredth of a millisievert. - Source: https://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/areas-of-work/radiation-faq.html#:~:text=Depe...

I really hope that voters will seek the truth from Labors lies when they head to polling booths next year.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/labors-latest-nuclear-scare-c...

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74611 Gender:	Re: Labor scare campaign lies Reply #1 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:36pm this is the best you could come up with for todays 'labor is bad' rant? You need to try harder
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Reply #2 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:27pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

I really hope that voters will seek the truth from Labors lies when they head to polling booths next year.

Funny - coming from you who was getting his knickers in a knot about 'Labor deficits' a couple of days back; and you now want taxpayers to fund nuclear in Oz....

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Reply #3 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:48pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Funny - coming from you who was getting his knickers in a knot about 'Labor deficits' a couple of days back; and you now want taxpayers to fund nuclear in Oz....

Funny - coming from you, where there is no impact on the economy when we have the resources. So much for renewables. Grin

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Reply #4 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:00pm

lee wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Funny - coming from you who was getting his knickers in a knot about 'Labor deficits' a couple of days back; and you now want taxpayers to fund nuclear in Oz....

Funny - coming from you, where there is no impact on the economy when we have the resources. So much for renewables. Grin

Er...haven't you heard: fossil combustion poisons the atmosphere AND causes AGW climate change.

The first is sufficent to ban fossils, the 2nd may prove essential in the near future (as if the massive destruction in recent years isn't enough...)

Do try to keep up.

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Reply #5 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:11pm

They've just granted more new Mines to open up in regards to the need for more steel. Their propaganda is that "we need more steel", but in truth they'll be supplying China for its War machine.
The same China the ALP fear mongers as an excuse for a $600m NRL team in PNG.
Yep. When China invades, the Papuans will be throwing footballs at them. Roll Eyes

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #6 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 4:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

Er...haven't you heard: fossil combustion poisons the atmosphere AND causes AGW climate change.

Yes I have heard it. Show us where it has been proven. Oh that's right it doesn't fulfil your mantra. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

The first is sufficent to ban fossils, the 2nd may prove essential in the near future (as if the massive destruction in recent years isn't enough...)

You haven't shown which poisons, in what concentrations etc. Just your usual fallacies. Which massive destruction? Something that has never happened before? Or merely something that is reported more in the digital age? Roll Eyes

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Reply #7 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 7:48pm

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An UNSCEAR factoid said exposure to nuclear radiation, known as ionising radiation, can increase the incidence of certain types of cancer years or decades after exposure at low doses below the levels associated with early onset injury or death. However, the effects on human health, including unborn children, were untraceable at levels between 0-10 millisieverts (mSv), the unit which measures radiation absorbed by the body. According to the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission (USNRC), people living within 50 miles (about 80km) of a nuclear power plant would receive an average radiation dose of about 0.01 millirem per year – a hundredth of a millisievert. - Source: https://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/areas-of-work/radiation-faq.html#:~:text=Depe...

This seems to be saying that people working with nuclear have poor health outcomes.

But it goes on the say that the increased health incidents in the community around power stations can not be proven to link back to the power stations. An example it is known that children living within 50K of a nuclear plant statistically suffer increased risk of Leukemia but the link for this to the power station is not known.

It is just a coincidence that all over the world this coincidence occurs in the vicinity of nuclear power plants.

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 58604 Here Gender:	Re: Labor scare campaign lies Reply #8 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 7:50pm It isn't a scare campaign when it is mostly true. There are known health outcomes related to nuclear power plants. The Potatoes plan is a particularly poor / unsafe one.
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Reply #9 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 7:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 7:48pm:

This seems to be saying that people working with nuclear have poor health outcomes.

ONLY IF you use the Linear No Threshold model approach. And yet that has been proven wrong. The human body is a wonderful thing with the ability to heal itself. People suffer from UV rays, get sunburned and the skin fixes itself. The organs also heal themselves. The one size fits all is merely a leftover from the Cold War. Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 10:21pm

lee wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 7:48pm:

This seems to be saying that people working with nuclear have poor health outcomes.

ONLY IF you use the Linear No Threshold model approach. And yet that has been proven wrong. The human body is a wonderful thing with the ability to heal itself. People suffer from UV rays, get sunburned and the skin fixes itself. The organs also heal themselves. The one size fits all is merely a leftover from the Cold War. Roll Eyes

Except that people working with nuclear do coincidentally die in statistically high rates all over the world.

The thought is that nuclear plants attract dodge Kebab shops to the neighbourhood? Irradiated Kebabs are the best.

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Reply #12 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:06pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:00pm:

https://i.imgur.com/r7li5Pi.jpg

Exaggerating does not mitigate the real risks.

One day Nuclear in some form will very likely be the answer but that day isn't today.

Our she'll be right nature makes us a poor candidate for unproven Nuclear technology.

An idiot pushing the prospect with a risky plan only makes it worse.

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Reply #13 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:09pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:06pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:00pm:

https://i.imgur.com/r7li5Pi.jpg

Exaggerating does not mitigate the real risks.

One day Nuclear in some form will very likely be the answer but that day isn't today.

Our she'll be right nature makes us a poor candidate for unproven Nuclear technology.

An idiot pushing the prospect with a risky plan only makes it worse.

Unproven?

Nuclear power generation has been in operation since 1954.

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The 2025 election could be a shocker.

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Reply #14 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:23pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:06pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 11:00pm:

https://i.imgur.com/r7li5Pi.jpg

Exaggerating does not mitigate the real risks.

One day Nuclear in some form will very likely be the answer but that day isn't today.

Our she'll be right nature makes us a poor candidate for unproven Nuclear technology.

An idiot pushing the prospect with a risky plan only makes it worse.

Unproven?

Nuclear power generation has been in operation since 1954.

And almost every country using it has had a major disaster or two. Even the most careful people and still the technology is dangerous and in constant development. People are still trying to find a version that works safely.

It isn't even close to having a solution to manage the waste.

Looking at the total per watt cost of nuclear how do you factor in the ongoing waste management for 10,000 years ?

It could end up costing a $billions per watt. Current nuclear power supply is being sold at thousands under its eventual cost. The future is subsidising nuclear power.

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