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Re: Labor scare campaign lies
Reply #30 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:07pm:

You mean effective government management - NOT the "market" beloved by obsolete mainstream economists - is required to transition from fossils to renewables - who knew?

So you have found a way to make renewables reliable? Please tell us how and how much. Grin

10 Suncables wasn't it at $30 billion a pop? Roll Eyes

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Reply #31 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:31pm

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:07pm:

You mean effective government management - NOT the "market" beloved by obsolete mainstream economists - is required to transition from fossils to renewables - who knew?

So you have found a way to make renewables reliable? Please tell us how and how much. Grin

10 Suncables wasn't it at $30 billion a pop? Roll Eyes

Maybe they'll place a bunch of colossally enormous solar panels in front of the sun in space with an umbilical cable running back here to earth for 24/7 power from the sun direct?

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Reply #33 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 12:34pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 9:31am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 6:33am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

I really hope that voters will seek the truth from Labors lies when they head to polling booths next year.

Funny - coming from you who was getting his knickers in a knot about 'Labor deficits' a couple of days back; and you now want taxpayers to fund nuclear in Oz....

It's clear to all (but you, obviously) that so-called renewables aren't up to the task of keeping the lights on when we have blackouts and brownouts in Sydney and other cities on hot days because there isn't enough baseload power to cope with increased demand.

Because coal is unreliable and Dutton want's to keep coal runnng longer until Nuclear is viable in a couple of decades....You really are a dickhead mate!!!

Coal is extremely reliable and can run 24/7 every single day of the year regardless of the weather (unlike solar or wind). The issue with coal is that there aren't enough coal-fired power stations to meet demand because Labor and the Greens won't build any new ones and kill any plans by others to do so. You're the dickhead... mate!!!

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Sydney risks blackouts as heat soars and coal power plants falter

Sydneysiders were asked to reduce energy usage on Wednesday afternoon and evening to avoid blackouts on the hottest November day since 2020 in a stark demonstration of the increasing unreliability of the ageing coal power fleet.

Four of the 12 power-generation units at the state’s coal power plants were offline for maintenance or breakdowns, while demand soared because of the need for air-conditioning as the temperature neared 40 degrees in parts of the city.

Again, if Labor and the Greens had built or permitted to be built more coal fired power plants, there would've been enough reserves to pick up the slack when other generators are down for maintenance or repairs. But the ALP and Greens won't do it, preferring to stick to their precious and unreliable renewables.

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/sydney-risks-blackouts-as-heat...

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Reply #34 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 1:04pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 9:31am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 6:33am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

I really hope that voters will seek the truth from Labors lies when they head to polling booths next year.

Funny - coming from you who was getting his knickers in a knot about 'Labor deficits' a couple of days back; and you now want taxpayers to fund nuclear in Oz....

It's clear to all (but you, obviously) that so-called renewables aren't up to the task of keeping the lights on when we have blackouts and brownouts in Sydney and other cities on hot days because there isn't enough baseload power to cope with increased demand.

Because coal is unreliable and Dutton want's to keep coal runnng longer until Nuclear is viable in a couple of decades....You really are a dickhead mate!!!

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Sydney risks blackouts as heat soars and coal power plants falter

Sydneysiders were asked to reduce energy usage on Wednesday afternoon and evening to avoid blackouts on the hottest November day since 2020 in a stark demonstration of the increasing unreliability of the ageing coal power fleet.

Four of the 12 power-generation units at the state’s coal power plants were offline for maintenance or breakdowns, while demand soared because of the need for air-conditioning as the temperature neared 40 degrees in parts of the city.

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/sydney-risks-blackouts-as-heat...

You have the gall to call someone a dickhead after making that statement Roll Eyes

Coal/coalfired power stations are our most reliable and cheapest form of energy production.

The coal fired stations are only aging because no new ones have been built because of climate change scaremongering & a crazed renewables agenda.

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Reply #35 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 1:10pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 9:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 7:18am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 9:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 6:33am:

It's clear to all (but you, obviously) that so-called renewables aren't up to the task of keeping the lights on when we have blackouts and brownouts in Sydney and other cities on hot days because there isn't enough baseload power to cope with increased demand.

You had those blackouts WITH coal power stations Cheesy

Because ALP state governments have been closing coal fired power stations and there aren't enough to take up the slack, and wind/solar sources are simply too unreliable. China is building new coal fired power stations regularly.

What is the point of your rant....Australia is not going to build and new coal fired power plants and the existing coal plants are unreliable when most needed....The cause of the blackouts you are bitching about was from coal generators failing you smacking dickhead....The climate cannot afford Peter Potato Head Dutton's fossil fuel solution!!!

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And whose fault is that dickhead?

If re-newables are so good why would coal fired stations ever be "most needed"? And why didn't they take up the slack when the coalfired plants failed?

The answer is because they can't ..... renewables will only ever be supplemental. As opposed to you just being "mental".

You know 7/8ths of 4/5ths of 3/4rs of SFA.

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Reply #36 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 4:25pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 1:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 9:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 7:18am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 9:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 6:33am:

It's clear to all (but you, obviously) that so-called renewables aren't up to the task of keeping the lights on when we have blackouts and brownouts in Sydney and other cities on hot days because there isn't enough baseload power to cope with increased demand.

You had those blackouts WITH coal power stations Cheesy

Because ALP state governments have been closing coal fired power stations and there aren't enough to take up the slack, and wind/solar sources are simply too unreliable. China is building new coal fired power stations regularly.

What is the point of your rant....Australia is not going to build and new coal fired power plants and the existing coal plants are unreliable when most needed....The cause of the blackouts you are bitching about was from coal generators failing you smacking dickhead....The climate cannot afford Peter Potato Head Dutton's fossil fuel solution!!!

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And whose fault is that dickhead?

If re-newables are so good why would coal fired stations ever be "most needed"? And why didn't they take up the slack when the coalfired plants failed?

The answer is because they can't ..... renewables will only ever be supplemental. As opposed to you just being "mental".

You know 7/8ths of 4/5ths of 3/4rs of SFA.

Storage capacity has not been built dickhead....Renewbles alone were never meant to power the grid on there own....Coal fired power plants failed when they were needed and it will only get worse under Potato Heads bullshit Nuclear Fantasy which will keep coal failing longer....Do you know what storage is dickhead???

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NSW rethinks storage needs to replace coal: More short duration batteries might do the trick

https://reneweconomy.com.au/nsw-rethinks-storage-needs-to-replace-coal-more-shor...

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Reply #37 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 4:48pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 4:25pm:

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NSW rethinks storage needs to replace coal: More short duration batteries might do the trick

https://reneweconomy.com.au/nsw-rethinks-storage-needs-to-replace-coal-more-shor
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Just how long will 400MW hour batteries last? Don't forget this is weather dependent generation.

From your reference -

"According to this new analysis, nearly 96 per cent of forecast “unserved energy” events are for periods of eight hours or less. Around two thirds, or 63 per cent, are for four hours or less."

What about those events that last longer than eight hours? 4% sounds good; is that an average? Calculating that 4% means about 350 hours a year over 8 hours. If there was a wind or solar drought for 7days, how would that affect it? Roll Eyes

According to the Australian Energy regulator, NSW has an average daily consumption of over 16,000MWhs

https://www.aer.gov.au/industry/registers/charts/annual-electricity-consumption-...

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Reply #38 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 6:52pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 6:46am:

Let's be fair and actually look at this - this is a valid discussion site - not a blog ad hom rampage.... those people aren't out of bed yet ... outstanding input from the Usual Suspects in the past week or so, given that it is holidays time - how odd.... office hours - who actually employs these people to rant and rave and insult and abuse others to try to push their 'narrative' and 'agenda'?

https://environmentalprogress.org/nuclear-deaths

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country

https://world-nuclear.org/nuclear-essentials/what-are-the-effects-of-nuclear-acc...

https://www.processindustryforum.com/energy/five-worst-nuclear-disasters-history

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301479720307106

Got more chance of dying in an air crash or on the roads this Christmas....

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Got more chance of dying in an air crash or on the roads this Christmas..

Yes but is there a better way to depopulate a whole suburb or 3.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17652 Gender:	Re: Labor scare campaign lies Reply #39 - Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 6:56pm Dnarever wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 6:52pm: Yes but is there a better way to depopulate a whole suburb or 3. Where and how? Cite references.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74611 Gender:	Re: Labor scare campaign lies Reply #40 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:53am Gnads wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 1:10pm: And whose fault is that dickhead? The LNP for chopping and changing energy policy, with no clear direction for companies to invest in, for well over the decade that they were in government
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74611 Gender:	Re: Labor scare campaign lies Reply #41 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:54am lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 6:56pm: Where and how? chernobyl
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Reply #42 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 3:09pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:54am:

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 6:56pm:

Where and how?

chernobyl

Oh dear. Wants to go to a gen1 design that featured poor maintenance. And he can't even cite one suburb of Chernobyl.

"A total of up to 4000 people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (NPP) accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded.

As of mid-2005, however, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers, many who died within months of the accident but others who died as late as 2004."

https://www.who.int/news/item/05-09-2005-chernobyl-the-true-scale-of-the-acciden

Of course there are some here who don't believe WHO. Wink

Fewer than 50 doesn't sound like one suburb, let alone 3.

"50,000 of them lived in Pripyat city, 15,000 in Chernobyl town and the rest lived in the villages all over the zone. "

https://chernobylstory.com/blog/chernobyl-remote-villages-of-30km-zone/

Poor Guido, doesn't research , AGAIN. Grin

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74611 Gender:	Re: Labor scare campaign lies Reply #43 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 3:20pm lee wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 3:09pm: Oh dear. yes, thats how stupid your question was lee wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 3:09pm: And he can't even cite one suburb of Chernobyl. the whole city is off limits you moron
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17652 Gender:	Re: Labor scare campaign lies Reply #44 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 4:00pm John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 3:20pm: the whole city is off limits you moron Yes, but you were pontificating about deaths. Of course you are free to pontificate about removing people as opposed to deaths. Chernobyl is a TOWN not a city.
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