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Reply #15 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:39pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 11:00pm:
And Israeli historian Shlomo Sand presents evidence that contradicts key Zionist narratives:


So you convert to Judaism - you are not a real Jew.
You convert to I-Slam- you are a real Muslim.

Nuts.

The long and the short of it is that Muslims cannot tolerate a Jewish state in an area that has been previously conquered by Muslims. Even if it is a place called JEWdea.
As with apostasy, there is no leaving or reconsidering what Muslims have once conquered.
Muslims have no other claim to Israel but that they had conquered it. Might is right. No other Muslim claim to Israel.

But when Jewish might reconquers it, the Muslims squeel, kvetch and complain: "only WE are allowed to conquer!"

**** 'em, violent, unreasonable bastards.

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Reply #16 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:40pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:39pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 11:00pm:
And Israeli historian Shlomo Sand presents evidence that contradicts key Zionist narratives:


So you convert to Judaism - you are not a real Jew.
You convert to Islam - you are a real Muslim.

Nuts.




The Islamic narrative is nuts.
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Reply #17 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:41pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:27pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:03pm:
A lesson there for the Palestinians.
Alas, a lesson they will never learn.



You're a bloody joke.

Many times I've shown you how the Palestinians tried for peace. And what was your response? You went all quiet for a month or so but then came back sprouting the same nonsense propaganda again.

For the umpteenth time:

"In January 1976, the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) offered to negotiate the terms of this "two-state" consensus. With Washington’s support, Israel refused the good-faith Palestinian proposal. Choosing expansion over peace, it has done so ever since...

"Critics dismiss the 1976 peace initiative, arguing that the fratricidal Lebanese civil war rendered Palestinian recognition of Israel unthinkable. Yet the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) discerned that Arafat was “willing and able” to deliver - the 1976 initiative was not an aberration, but began a deluge of Palestinian two-state proposals, in 1977, 1979, 1980 and 1982."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-negotiation-idea-always-f...

The Palestinians want to outbreed the Jews - right of return.

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Reply #18 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:03pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:39pm:
So you convert to Judaism - you are not a real Jew.


Where does he say that?

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The long and the short of it is that Muslims cannot tolerate a Jewish state


A racist apartheid state, which came into being through the ethnic cleansing of the population -  NO.

Who would?

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Reply #19 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:13pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:03pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 6:39pm:
So you convert to Judaism - you are not a real Jew.


Where does he say that?

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The long and the short of it is that Muslims cannot tolerate a Jewish state


A racist apartheid state, which came into being through the ethnic cleansing of the population -  NO.

Who would?


It is not an apartheid state and it has not come into being through ethnic cleansing.

Israel has 20% Arab population. Catholics, Greek and Russian orthodox as wel as Muslims are free to practice their religion.
The surrounding Arab countries have been ethnically cleansed of Jews. There were Jews in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. Now there aren't  any.  Christians are constantly h pounded and murdered.

Islam is an avowedly ethnic clensing creed.

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Reply #20 - Jan 20th, 2025 at 11:10pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:13pm:
It is not an apartheid state


You're full of crap.

Many times I've pointed out the existence of many laws that discriminate against Arab citizens of Israel. Racial discrimination is apartheid.

There are more than 60 laws in Israel that discriminate against non-Jews:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1704195763/21#21

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and it has not come into being through ethnic cleansing.


And I've shown how Israeli historian Ilan Pappe called it just that:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1671444180/566#566

Mr. Pappe is an Israeli Jew.

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Israel has 20% Arab population. Catholics, Greek and Russian orthodox as wel as Muslims are free to practice their religion.


Then why did Israeli disrupt the 2022 Easter celebrations in Jerusalem?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holy-fire-anti-christian-disgrace-in-jer...

Which came on top of similar police action to support the usual crowd of rampaging settlers and other Jewish extremists at the Ramadan services held by Palestinian Muslims at the al-Aqsa Mosque:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/why-did-israel-attack-al-aqsa-palestine-worsh...

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The surrounding Arab countries have been ethnically cleansed of Jews. There were Jews in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. Now there aren't  any. 


That's not true, as LTYC showed here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1711975975/18#18

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There were Jews in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. Now there aren't  any. 


What's this then?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1711975975/18#18

How about you stop with all the Israeli hasbara!

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Reply #21 - Jan 21st, 2025 at 5:55am
 
Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.

If you can't 'discriminate' between what's good and bad for you...
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Reply #22 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:51pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2025 at 5:55am:
Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.


The Palestinian resistance is not terrorism, as I've shown many times:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349
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Reply #23 - Feb 4th, 2025 at 6:53pm
 
Started by the Irish for the Irish:

The Celtic Football Club, commonly known as Celtic, is a professional football club in Glasgow, Scotland. The team competes in the Scottish Premiership, the top division of Scottish football. Celtic was founded as a charity for Irish immigrants in Glasgow by Brother Walfrid, a Marist Brother originally from County Sligo, Ireland. Walfrid's own suggestion of the name Celtic (pron. seltik) was intended to reflect the club's Irish and Scottish roots. Consequently, Celtic is strongly associated with Scotland's Irish Catholic community and have a significant number of supporters in Ireland and among members of the Irish diaspora elsewhere.

In 2002, former Rangers director, Hugh Adam, said Celtic were "the best-supported football club in North America" and that the club's "Irish connection" was a determinant factor in their popularity.

Celtic are one of only six clubs in the world to have won over 100 trophies, with 119 major honours as of 2024, the most of any European club.

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Reply #24 - Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:22pm
 
Shortly after the ’79 revolution, several Iranian Jews were accused of spying for Israel and executed. In an effort to stabilize relations with the Jewish community, the supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, proclaimed: “We recognize our Jews as separate from those godless Zionists.” Nevertheless, 30,000 Jews left within months of the revolution.



Wombat Woody's link



80,000 prior to 1979, now numbers between 5,000 and 8,000.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/40-years-after-iranian-revolu...

So the Persians - a converts to Islam - managed to keep 10% if a tiny Jewish population.
Egypt, Syria, Saudi, Yemen, etc, the Arabs, kept none.

No Jewish soldiers in their armies, no Jewish judges in their courts, no Jewish parliamentarians in their assemblies.

So tellembuggerem. I do not accept ANY of the Filistine propaganda.  I have been to the ME, I have seen it for myself. 


If the Muslims had any brains - not religious fanaticism - they would count their blessings that such a talented and dynamic people returned, claiming only such a tiny sliver but being able to transform the region into a powerhouse of advancement.  It takes idiots drunk on Allah and Mohammed to choose jihad against the returning goose of the golden egg.





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Reply #25 - Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:23pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 4:51pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2025 at 5:55am:
Discrimination against Palestinians (Terrorists) has been proven to be justified.


The Palestinian resistance is not terrorism, as I've shown many times:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349


Well, the Filistines are a byword for idiots, have been for millenia.


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Reply #26 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:01pm
 
Well then - Ireland and Glasgow are welcome to them all from Gaza... I'm close to renouncing my Irish ancestry anyway...  Wink
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Reply #27 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:08pm
 
Billy Connelly's gag about the Jewish bloke in Ulster would not be far off the mark... this is where we're all headed:-

(roughly)...
Jewish bloke is walkin' home in Belfast...
A head slinks out of an alley:-
"Are you a Cat'lic or a Prod?"
"I'm Jewish!"
"Pass on."
A little further on another head:-
"Are you a Prod or a Cat'lic?"
"God be praised - I'm Jewish!"
"Pass on friend."
Yet another head pops out:-
"Are ye a Prod or a Cat'lic?"
"Jewish!"
"Ah - Allah is truly merciful!"


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Reply #28 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 4:09pm
 
Apparently being 'poorer' than your enemy is an emotional blackmail to be 'justified'.
Terrorism, like Piracy - is romanticised by the Hollywood Left.
Soon they'll glorify paedophiles, starring Johnny Depp.
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Reply #29 - Feb 6th, 2025 at 10:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2025 at 7:22pm:
Shortly after the ’79 revolution, several Iranian Jews were accused of spying for Israel and executed.


What do you think Israel would do if some Arab-Israelis were caught spying for Iran. Let them off with a slap on the wrist?

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In an effort to stabilize relations with the Jewish community, the supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, proclaimed: “We recognize our Jews as separate from those godless Zionists.” Nevertheless, 30,000 Jews left within months of the revolution.


But many are still there:

‘Peaceful existence’: Jews in Iran freely observe their religion, communal leader says

BY GARY ROSENBLATT MARCH 5, 2021

(New York Jewish Week via JTA) — Contrary to a commonly held belief, Jews living in Iran find it easier to practice their religion today than they did prior to the Islamic Revolution of 1979, according to a longtime leader of the Jewish community in Tehran.

https://www.jta.org/2021/03/05/global/peaceful-existence-jews-in-iran-freely-obs...
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