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Dec 24th, 2024 at 11:07am
 
When you see a camera car or a strategically parked police car, do you warn oncoming drivers about them, and if so, why so?
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Reply #1 - Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
Not this time of year when terrorist tourists are always in a hurry.
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Reply #2 - Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:15pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 11:07am:
When you see a camera car or a strategically parked police car, do you warn oncoming drivers about them, and if so, why so?


We are conditioned to do that, if you saw someone about to tread on dog poo you would warn them, if you saw someone about to do something that would have a negative outcome you warn them. That is what we expect from ourselves, to use our experience to benefit our community. There is no bad outcome from warning someone from harm.
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Reply #3 - Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:15pm
 
I generally know where the flash for cash vehicles are parked. I put the police radio on in my phone to listen in to police broadcasts. The police (including a guy I graduated high school with) generally give locations for where the speed cameras are set up.
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Reply #4 - Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:20pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:15pm:
I generally know where the flash for cash vehicles are parked. I put the police radio on in my phone to listen in to police broadcasts. The police (including a guy I graduated high school with) generally give locations for where the speed cameras are set up.


Why do you listen to police radio?.
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Reply #5 - Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:22pm
 
Leroy wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:20pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:15pm:
I generally know where the flash for cash vehicles are parked. I put the police radio on in my phone to listen in to police broadcasts. The police (including a guy I graduated high school with) generally give locations for where the speed cameras are set up.


Why do you listen to police radio?.


My job as an Uber delivery driver means that I can avoid many police traps as I do deliveries. It is also a form of entertainment when I am online. I also like to find out why there are police vehicles rushing pass my place on the main stretch of road nearby.
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Reply #6 - Dec 24th, 2024 at 7:19pm
 
Are we talking about flashing your headlights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed camera or a "strategically parked police car"?

The police have always said that if they catch anyone doing that then they will be charged with obstructing the police or something like that.

It's interesting because, many years ago I read a story about the police in the UK charging someone for flashing their headlights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed camera or police with a radar gun.

The case went to court and it was thrown out for this reason:

1. If you speed you are breaking the law.

2. If you flash your headlights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed camera or trap you are stopping them from breaking the law.

3. If you are stopping someone from breaking the law then you cannot be breaking the law yourself.

I don't know if this really happened or it's just some sort of 'urban legend' but it would be interesting to see what would happen if someone tried this 'defence' here in Australia.

But, having said all that - no, I never flash my lights to warn other drivers of speed cameras, etc.

Never have, never will.

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Reply #7 - Dec 24th, 2024 at 11:10pm
 
They put signs out giving reasonable warning.
If you too thick in the head to understand that flashing lights isn’t going help and preferably these people shouldn’t be on road anyway?

Plenty of people seem too support a drunk, meth head, ice addict till they total there car and kill your son or daughter.
Only then do you preach a different tune?
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Reply #8 - Dec 24th, 2024 at 11:39pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
They put signs out giving reasonable warning.
If you too thick in the head to understand that flashing lights isn’t going help and preferably these people shouldn’t be on road anyway?

Plenty of people seem too support a drunk, meth head, ice addict till they total there car and kill your son or daughter.
Only then do you preach a different tune?


Getting a bit extreme there. I don't think flashing your headlights has caused any deaths of children.
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Reply #9 - Dec 25th, 2024 at 7:21am
 
Carl D wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 7:19pm:
Are we talking about flashing your headlights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed camera or a "strategically parked police car"?

The police have always said that if they catch anyone doing that then they will be charged with obstructing the police or something like that.

It's interesting because, many years ago I read a story about the police in the UK charging someone for flashing their headlights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed camera or police with a radar gun.

The case went to court and it was thrown out for this reason:

1. If you speed you are breaking the law.

2. If you flash your headlights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed camera or trap you are stopping them from breaking the law.

3. If you are stopping someone from breaking the law then you cannot be breaking the law yourself.

I don't know if this really happened or it's just some sort of 'urban legend' but it would be interesting to see what would happen if someone tried this 'defence' here in Australia.

But, having said all that - no, I never flash my lights to warn other drivers of speed cameras, etc.

Never have, never will.


That is what we’re talking about and it is everyone’s civic duty to try to stop offences being committed.

Why not do your duty?

‘’I never flash my headlights,  Constable, I turned my headlights on but they were on High Beam, so I immediately turned them off.’’
That being said, I recently warned an approaching driver and as he went past he gave me a thumbs up, and it was a police car 😀😀😀
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Reply #10 - Dec 25th, 2024 at 7:42am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 1:15pm:
I generally know where the flash for cash vehicles are parked. I put the police radio on in my phone to listen in to police broadcasts. The police (including a guy I graduated high school with) generally give locations for where the speed cameras are set up.



The cops have encrypted radios in Victoria -
you can't listen in.

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Reply #11 - Dec 25th, 2024 at 10:42pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
They put signs out giving reasonable warning.
If you too thick in the head to understand that flashing lights isn’t going help and preferably these people shouldn’t be on road anyway?

Plenty of people seem too support a drunk, meth head, ice addict till they total there car and kill your son or daughter.
Only then do you preach a different tune?

The signs are tiny and.just near the camera and most speed limits are bull anyway, otherwise NSW wouldn’t have collected so much in speeding fines.

‘’ Mobile speed cameras have slapped NSW drivers with more fines and collected more money in 2021 than ever before, since the removal of warning signs.this, I believe, refers to the former easily seen large signs

Speeding fines skyrocketed throughout 2021 with the hidden cameras collecting a record $73.6 million, according to The Daily Telegraph.

Almost $40.4 million in fines were issued to drivers caught going less than 10km over the speed limit in the 12 months to December, a whopping 750 per cent more than in 2020

Only $14.8 million in fines were issued for the same offence over the five years leading up to 2021.’’

Revenue raising.

The town of Invarell in NSW is a case in point, one street, with houses on both sides and young children, is a 70 kph zone because it is a diversion for semi-trailers and heavy trucks to pass the main part of town, and just for laughs, the Gwydir Highway for approx a kilometre is flanked by mostly deserted parklands on one side and by the side fences of houses on the other, the speed limits is 50 kph, and a lucrative spot for a hidden camera.

No Government in NSW is going to post realistic speed limits, to much revenue would be lost.
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Reply #12 - Dec 25th, 2024 at 11:05pm
 
I'm like Peccary - I don't speed - so I have no issue with these cameras.  I cruise control at the posted limit and just sail past them without incident.  I once flashed a young guy who zoomed past me after sunset in a 100 zone - after he went through at a rate of knots - he hit the 60 zone ahead and went through too fast - the HP was waiting on the opposite side of the road and went after him and booked him. I knew the cop was there, you see.... don't ask.

Boy's a slow learner. 

You should know - with enough experience - that speeding mostly just gets you to the next slow zone, traffic jam, traffic light or whatever... why bother? 
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Reply #13 - Dec 25th, 2024 at 11:08pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
They put signs out giving reasonable warning.


Not in Perth and Western Australia they don't.

Haven't seen warning signs before or after speed cameras for years. Except for the 'generic' signs here and there that say "Speed Cameras Used In This Area" (but they usually are not most of the time).

I've gotten into the habit a long time ago of assuming every 4WD or van parked on the roadside verge with the back facing oncoming traffic is a speed camera even though most of them are not).

I always had a bit of a chuckle at the old style red light cameras they had here in Perth many years ago. Yellow box on top of a yellow pole with 2 windows at the front - one for the camera lens and the other for the flash.

The police only had about 3 or 4 actual cameras but there were dozens of boxes on poles around Perth and the metro area and they rotated the cameras from time to time.

The 'trick' (or the 'risk') was trying to work out which boxes had cameras and which ones were empty. You could tell by looking at the 2 windows at the front, if they were both 'black' there was no camera in there (you could see the silver reflector for the flash and the camera lens if it had one).

The other thing the police used to do with these old red light cameras was put warning signs at all 4 approaches to the intersection even though these cameras could only take a picture of a vehicle passing it from behind.
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I have a HUD that lets me know if I am speeding. No speeding fines.
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